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Onceler Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:45 pm Post subject: Fuel pump insulator block deflection |
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Is this amount of deflection normal? It’s a new insulator block and fuel pump.
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SBD Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel pump insulator block deflection |
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Does the bottom end of the insulator block fit semi-snugly in the case? The last one I installed I had to sand the OD of it a bit just to get it to fit all of the way down into the case. (But don't want it too tight. Reason I installed that last one was because the old one I had broke off in the case when I tried to remove it. It fit TOO tightly. ) I've never looked to see if the pump rod and insulator deflected though. Sure looks like a lot. _________________ "Just $99 down and $64 a month for 36 months buys you a brand new Volkswagen Beetle!"
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I wouldent waste $ or thyme on building a small motor. build it big so it dosent have to work hard.remember it's only as fast as your foot alows it to be unless you build a small turd then it just stinks as it squishes up through your toes when you step on it. |
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Onceler Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:06 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel pump insulator block deflection |
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Visually it looks pretty loosy goosy
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SBD Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Feb 05, 2020 11:46 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel pump insulator block deflection |
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I'm far from being an expert but it looks wrong to me. Makes me think it would at minimum cause the end of the isolator to break off in short order. Hopefully somebody else knows more and will say something? At the least I'd try another insulator block. _________________ "Just $99 down and $64 a month for 36 months buys you a brand new Volkswagen Beetle!"
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I wouldent waste $ or thyme on building a small motor. build it big so it dosent have to work hard.remember it's only as fast as your foot alows it to be unless you build a small turd then it just stinks as it squishes up through your toes when you step on it. |
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Onceler Samba Member
Joined: May 28, 2010 Posts: 1646 Location: Indiana
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:27 am Post subject: Re: Fuel pump insulator block deflection |
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I'm far from being an expert but it looks wrong to me. Makes me think it would at minimum cause the end of the isolator to break off in short order. Hopefully somebody else knows more and will say something? At the least I'd try another insulator block. |
I’m thinking the same thing, I’m gonna look for another one _________________ 1972 Karmann Ghia |
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Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 33112 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:31 am Post subject: Re: Fuel pump insulator block deflection |
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Onceler wrote: |
I’m thinking the same thing, I’m gonna look for another one |
I've got an idea, and maybe it's a good idea: do you have a "slanted" alternator-type fuel pump AND a 108mm steel fuel pump pushrod, and that the steel pushrod is flexing inside the plastic stand/insulator?
A "slanted" alternator-type fuel pump utilizes a 100mm pushrod, I've personally seen a 108mm one used with a slanted pump and bend/get destroyed.
Whatever pushrod you have, cone end goes down, and pushrod should be checked for straightness. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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Carlsbadbug Samba Member
Joined: October 11, 2012 Posts: 1 Location: Orillia Ontario Canada
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 2:32 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel pump insulator block deflection |
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I would not use that one ! it will break and go through the timing gears , I have been rebuilding air cooled for 40 years , and was somewhat excited to find that they where making replacements for the old bakelite units , but after trying several , they all where way out of tolerance .. The shafts where loose , or the housing was loose in the case , find a good used one , after 50 years they are much better than that.. I have a box of good used ones , they are hard to get out , the only way I have found was to resist the urge to pry them and wait until the block is split , then soak with laquer thinner or carb cleaner , then use a piece of wood and gently push up from the bottom end strait on , if it doesn't come soak it some more ... Not all will come out without breaking |
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modok Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 5:40 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel pump insulator block deflection |
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I got a new one like that, it was loose int he hole. JUNK.
Thought about putting a sleeve on it to fix it, BUT.....guess what, the hole foir the plunger was too big also. So, thank god they made it uniformly junk, saved me the trouble.
Just use a good used one, if the it's too loose make a bigger pushrod. |
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Onceler Samba Member
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SBD Samba Member

Joined: October 24, 2012 Posts: 3295 Location: SOUTH DAKOTA
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 7:51 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel pump insulator block deflection |
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"The product you are trying to view no longer exists."
That didn't last long. _________________ "Just $99 down and $64 a month for 36 months buys you a brand new Volkswagen Beetle!"
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I wouldent waste $ or thyme on building a small motor. build it big so it dosent have to work hard.remember it's only as fast as your foot alows it to be unless you build a small turd then it just stinks as it squishes up through your toes when you step on it. |
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mark tucker Samba Member

Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23950 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:14 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel pump insulator block deflection |
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Ive had new ones that were too tight on the rod(probably china shit) and they all fit the cases somewhat loose. I dont mind that there is little side thrust the lobe is pushing the rod up&letting it down. yes it has some but I see no issue or vw would of changed it long ago. Imho a tight one would break because all the flex would be in 1 spot. I think cb has the good rods,I have some nos ones for my personal builds. I do however add about 3 small oiling holes to the plastic holder/guide up above the middle support at 3 different hights at a downword angle to funnell oil down and keep the rod well lubed. I have titanium tubing to make some light weight pushrods but havent done it yet, fuel pumps float just as valves do and can leen out the motor on a hard run. |
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Onceler Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:27 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel pump insulator block deflection |
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SBD wrote: |
"The product you are trying to view no longer exists."
That didn't last long. |
WTH, I’ve had one in my cart all day, just trying to think if I needed anything else. _________________ 1972 Karmann Ghia |
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Onceler Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Feb 06, 2020 8:28 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel pump insulator block deflection |
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mark tucker wrote: |
Ive had new ones that were too tight on the rod(probably china shit) and they all fit the cases somewhat loose. I dont mind that there is little side thrust the lobe is pushing the rod up&letting it down. yes it has some but I see no issue or vw would of changed it long ago. Imho a tight one would break because all the flex would be in 1 spot. I think cb has the good rods,I have some nos ones for my personal builds. I do however add about 3 small oiling holes to the plastic holder/guide up above the middle support at 3 different hights at a downword angle to funnell oil down and keep the rod well lubed. I have titanium tubing to make some light weight pushrods but havent done it yet, fuel pumps float just as valves do and can leen out the motor on a hard run. |
Good idea! I’m gonna do that _________________ 1972 Karmann Ghia |
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Onceler Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Feb 14, 2020 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Fuel pump insulator block deflection |
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I received the one I linked to from Cip1. It’s the exact same as the first pos. The shaft measures 13.85mm, the oem one I just received measures 14.90mm _________________ 1972 Karmann Ghia |
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