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jspbtown Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2004 Posts: 5213
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Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 3:17 pm Post subject: Summit Racing..... feeling the impact apparently |
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So as I work my way through some of my little projects I needed to get some paint. I have bought from Summit before and they were pretty quick with shipping.
Last week I ordered two quarts of paint. One was "in stock" while the other was to be in on 5/15. Luckily for me the backordered paint was for a project I haven't started yet so I just ordered it.
So a week goes by and I get an email that the "in stock" color was ready to ship but the other color was now back ordered to June 30th.
So first I try the "chat" feature. It was not available. So I send an email. I get an automated response saying that "high volumes" will cause a 3-4 day delay in responding. So I try texting and I immediately get a response saying to "please hold so a customer service person can respond. Please stand by". Well after two hours I get no response from my test.
So then I try calling. After a 30 minute wait I finally get a customer service rep who really had no idea what he was doing. Nice kid...but no clue. I change my order to a different color, make sure it is in stock, and he says "OK...it will be about 5-6 days before that ships out".
So is it a massive increase in business? Staffing reductions in shipping/warehouse help? Amazon has been the same way. Six weeks for some dryer parts. Three weeks for some minibike parts. EBAY has been lightening fast still |
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obus  Samba Member

Joined: March 08, 2001 Posts: 11613 Location: just off Garden State Parkway Exit 81
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Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Summit Racing..... feeling the impact apparently |
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heres what seems to be happening here in NJ from what i have seen in my accounts and other stores. Alot of warehouse/stores are short handed because:
a)someone got covid so is now out of work.
b) some people are so germ phobic that they are staying home from fear of catching the virus
c) Some people are more susceptible(sp) than others as they already have medical conditions so they have to stay home.
d) some places cant afford to sustain a large staff if things are slow _________________ July 1959 Mango Standard Bus aka Obus L346 L347 https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=256592&highlight=
June 1973 Pumpkin Orange Thing aka Othing L30H
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=711775&highlight=
1960 Paprika Red Karmann Ghia Convertible aka Schatze L452 built 5/20/60
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead

Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 17830 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 6:44 pm Post subject: Re: Summit Racing..... feeling the impact apparently |
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I get summit stuff weekly, no problem. only SNAFU is which warehouse it ships from...99% of my stuff comes from Talmage, OH without issue but sometimes ships from multiple warehouses.
can't speak for their paint as I would never use it. I get it from my local jobber _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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modok Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 27659 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Tue May 12, 2020 8:11 pm Post subject: Re: Summit Racing..... feeling the impact apparently |
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Many in the auto restoration and/or hotroddoing buisness like Summit are reporting an INCREASE in business.
Racing is down, but weekend racers all of a sudden have more free time. |
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jspbtown Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2004 Posts: 5213
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 6:09 am Post subject: Re: Summit Racing..... feeling the impact apparently |
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can't speak for their paint as I would never use it. I get it from my local jobber |
Paying 4x the cost for paint from my local jobber for a simple minibike project (my current distraction) makes little sense for me. At $25 a quart I can paint several projects with good results.
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead

Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 17830 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Wed May 13, 2020 8:27 am Post subject: Re: Summit Racing..... feeling the impact apparently |
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Paying 4x the cost for paint from my local jobber for a simple minibike project (my current distraction) makes little sense for me. At $25 a quart I can paint several projects with good results. |
I have to match colors and color map a lot of stuff. having the same color on several projects would drive me nuts. paint is usually reasonable, it's the reducers etc that add up. _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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jspbtown Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2004 Posts: 5213
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Summit Racing..... feeling the impact apparently |
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Tried Summit again. Ordered a tire. After a week of not hearing anything I sent an email. 4 days later they told me they didn't have a shipping date but expected it within 60-90 days.
If I hadn't proactively reached out I would have had no clue.
Why advertise something you really can't fulfill? |
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mark tucker Samba Member

Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23950 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 8:34 am Post subject: Re: Summit Racing..... feeling the impact apparently |
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shop around. try flebay.jegs,barnett and others. |
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Manfred58sc Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2009 Posts: 3463
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Summit Racing..... feeling the impact apparently |
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Its all moving slow these days with lots of shortages. _________________ Fat chick owner/operator |
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PuddleRainbow Samba Member
Joined: April 13, 2018 Posts: 294 Location: The Dirtiest Of Jersey
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Posted: Thu Jun 04, 2020 12:19 pm Post subject: Re: Summit Racing..... feeling the impact apparently |
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Two orders from Summit in last two weeks, both delivered in 2-3 days. |
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kingkarmann Samba Member

Joined: November 05, 2003 Posts: 4497
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 7:49 am Post subject: Re: Summit Racing..... feeling the impact apparently |
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My spouse is a regional HR Rep for Fedex.
Fedex, UPS, USPS, Amazon are seeing historic levels of business. The virus is impacting personnel. Replacing folks on a moments notice even with more people unemployed is difficult, mainly die to the CARES Act. No one will take a pay cut to go to work until that benefit is exhausted.
I have never seen my wife so tired and frustrated. I worry for her because it's all hands on deck to try to get stuff shipped at the same time trying to recruit.
Priority goes to the essentials or what can be deemed essential. Our car parts are not a priority. |
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jspbtown Samba Member
Joined: January 27, 2004 Posts: 5213
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Summit Racing..... feeling the impact apparently |
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I do feel sorry for the delivery people.
I got a package from Fed-Ex yesterday and they left another package at the same time, different last name, different house number and different street. It was the same town though.
No problem...texted the guy that I got his package, told him I would put it in his mailbox on my lunch break, dropped the top on my car and took an easy drive.
The guy texted back and said "That was very neighborly of you. Thanks!"
Good deed for the day. |
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vwracerdave Samba Member

Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15599 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Summit Racing..... feeling the impact apparently |
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jspbtown wrote: |
I got a package from Fed-Ex yesterday and they left another package at the same time, different last name, different house number and different street. It was the same town though.
No problem...texted the guy that I got his package, told him I would put it in his mailbox on my lunch break, dropped the top on my car and took an easy drive. |
Honest mistakes happen. When you are delivering hundreds of packages a day things can get confusing. The correct thing to do is call FedEx and tell them to come pick it up. The delivery driver can not correct himself, or learn to pay more attention to his job if the mistakes are not brought to his attention.
All the delivery companies today use scanners with GPS tracking (and cameras) and can tell you exactly where a package was delivered. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
1997 Sportsman ET Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble ,OK |
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jspbtown Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 11:32 am Post subject: Re: Summit Racing..... feeling the impact apparently |
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The correct thing to do is call FedEx and tell them to come pick it up. The delivery driver can not correct himself, or learn to pay more attention to his job if the mistakes are not brought to his attention. |
Well...I guess I could have called Fed-Ex and let the guy who lives .4 miles away from me wait for several more days for his package OR....taken a nice drive, do a neighbor a favor and worry more about being a part of a community than being Fed-Ex's driver training guru.
And the person who was supposed to get the delivery had already spoke to Fed-Ex after getting an email saying his package was delivered when in fact he was not. |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 23114 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Wed Jun 10, 2020 3:31 pm Post subject: Re: Summit Racing..... feeling the impact apparently |
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Summit racing generally has pretty good service.
The issue with back ordered items is NOT a sign of the times though. They have had this issue for years. While they have thousands of items in stock....they do not stock everything. In favt....like Grainger....they have been reducing their inventory of items that do not move every X number of days.
This does not mean that they cannot get the item. They have at least proven to me that they do not advertize items they cannot access like some parts sites out there.
But.....some low order items are not stocked at their manufacturer either. They are made on request and not until they have sufficient volume.
I got my not so common transmission pinion bearings crom Summit last summer. It took 8 weeks before Timken did a run of those. Ray |
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jspbtown Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 6:15 am Post subject: Re: Summit Racing..... feeling the impact apparently |
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This was the email I received 1 week after ordering the part. I had to reach out to Summit. I had not heard any updates from them until after I reached out:
"I apologize, the manufacturer has not sent us an update or the tracking info yet. The current estimated shipping date is potentially 60 - 90 days out, but this is not guaranteed due to limited staffing at the manufacturer because of the COVID-19 pandemic."
To accept an order, and not let the purchaser know that it might be 2-3 months before the part is shipped is not quality service in my opinion. IF they had that noted on their sire OR if they emailed me after receiving my order it wouldn't be a big deal. If I did not reach out I would have just been waiting and waiting. |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead

Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 17830 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 9:54 am Post subject: Re: Summit Racing..... feeling the impact apparently |
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To accept an order, and not let the purchaser know that it might be 2-3 months before the part is shipped is not quality service in my opinion. IF they had that noted on their sire OR if they emailed me after receiving my order it wouldn't be a big deal |
boy, you have some bad luck with them. I have found them very up front about this stuff...and I have always found it stated what is ready to ship and what has lead times. it's pretty clearly marked from my experience. like I said I usually get stuff from them once a week
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
Jake Raby wrote: |
Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
Brian wrote: |
Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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raygreenwood Samba Member
Joined: November 24, 2008 Posts: 23114 Location: Oklahoma City
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 10:18 am Post subject: Re: Summit Racing..... feeling the impact apparently |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
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To accept an order, and not let the purchaser know that it might be 2-3 months before the part is shipped is not quality service in my opinion. IF they had that noted on their sire OR if they emailed me after receiving my order it wouldn't be a big deal |
boy, you have some bad luck with them. I have found them very up front about this stuff...and I have always found it stated what is ready to ship and what has lead times. it's pretty clearly marked from my experience. like I said I usually get stuff from them once a week
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I have had "about the same results" as you have with summit.....but I will throw this bone out to the other poster.
Summit....like Skills notes....is pretty up front about what is in stock and what is not. However......they have not always been perfect in "defining" what type of out of stock issue it is....whether it is a drop ship from a vendor warehouse..... is back ordered....or is a special order.
I learned this kind of the hard way with Summit.....with those damn pinion bearings. I actually ordered them 3 times from them over a 7 month period.....and canceled the order twice after about a month of waiting.....figuring I could get them elsewhere faster (most places turned out could not get them at all).
Then I sat down and waited for 40 minutes to have a serious ....and nice....chat with them. Because I work in manufacturing.....I get it. I just did not KNOW which issue they were having.
1. A non-stock item.....that is in normal production and is a common part....is just a matter of ordering from their vendor and drop shipping to you. It may be a couple of extra days lead time. Maybe a week at the outside.
2. A back order.....is that its a normal stocking part for them they are simply out of ....have an order already in for more....and it takes a while for the mfg to make. Maybe 10 days to two weeks lead time.
3. Special order......it may be a stock "listing".....meaning "we WILL provide you with this part for the price and at the quality listed"......but its not in the Summit warehouse or any other warehouse and the mfg only begins production.....on request.....and add to that.... the mfg may have minimum production run quantities. When this happens....its not only a "special order"......its a special back order.
They may order your special request part.....but the mfg will not actually begin production until they get enough orders from all of their customers combined.....to make it worth manufacturing.
Why do they do this?.....because for instance with the pinion bearings.....Summit and the few other vendors with manufacturing/stocking agreements with Timkin.....offer these bearings at a standard price of ahout $65 each. In order for Timkin to make any money at all....they have to have a production run of X number of parts. Simple economics.
So.....Summit....does not always know how long the time lag is going to be on certain backorders and special orders....because they do not know how long that will be because its not up to them. They have not always been perfect about that information. I think this is what is getting you.
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jspbtown Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 12:23 pm Post subject: Re: Summit Racing..... feeling the impact apparently |
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My order was marked as "Shipped from manufacturer". It was not listed as "Special Order" no "back ordered".
Recently ordered some primer from Eastwood who said it was back ordered until June 10th. No problem...I didn't need it right away. On June 10th they sent me an email saying it was shipped. Thats fine.
My Summit order was taken, it sat in limbo for a week before I asked about it, and then it took me several days to get a response from Customer Service via email. I did not call because last time after I ordered some paint (which was marked as out of stock but back in stock one week later and I eventually got an email saying it was not going to be available for 3 weeks) I sat on hold for almost an hour waiting.
So my beef is this.......they should communicate something....anything...if they aren't going to be able to fulfill an order for 60-90 days. A consumer should not have to pry that info out of them. |
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Abscate  Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 23816 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Thu Jun 11, 2020 1:00 pm Post subject: Re: Summit Racing..... feeling the impact apparently |
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In summary, IT appears that they used to be better, and that angers some, who have looked deeper into it
One could say, some have peeked and are piqued that they peaked. _________________ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ πΊπΈ π π π |
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