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Motorbod
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 Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 6:16 am Post subject: Split clutch question |
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Hi all hopefully someone can help me out. I have a 1960 split which has its original bastard 40hp engine. And rightly or wrongly I have opted for a straight axle kit from type 2 detectives. I am planning on building another motor which I have had help from here on. But for the short term having realised that my engines main is not going to cause me a problem I have decided to put the original engine in whilst I am sourcing the required parts for a bigger motor.
The problem I have is the clutch I have ordered a replacement kit for the bud but it the bearing will not fit the transmission. What I do know is the transmission is from a beetle. My sons 1973 super beetle bearing fits over the collar on the box. But do I now need a later clutch kit or do I have to use the later bearing with an older plate. Or do I even now need to change the flywheel.
For clarity the flywheel is10 1/2 inches and it was running a 180mm clutch. Any help appreciated. Thanks. Carl. |
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 8:25 am Post subject: Re: Split clutch question |
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| Motorbod wrote: |
Hi all hopefully someone can help me out. I have a 1960 split which has its original bastard 40hp engine. And rightly or wrongly I have opted for a straight axle kit from type 2 detectives. I am planning on building another motor which I have had help from here on. But for the short term having realised that my engines main is not going to cause me a problem I have decided to put the original engine in whilst I am sourcing the required parts for a bigger motor.
The problem I have is the clutch I have ordered a replacement kit for the bud but it the bearing will not fit the transmission. What I do know is the transmission is from a beetle. My sons 1973 super beetle bearing fits over the collar on the box. But do I now need a later clutch kit or do I have to use the later bearing with an older plate. Or do I even now need to change the flywheel.
For clarity the flywheel is10 1/2 inches and it was running a 180mm clutch. Any help appreciated. Thanks. Carl. |
So you have a trans that requires the bearing that requires a clutch plate without a collar to ride on the bearing face.
This set up is exclusively for a 200mm flywheel.
Your bastard engine has a six volt flywheel with a 180mm plate, so you will need to change out to a 200mm flywheel, if you are running 12 v you will have to do it regardless.
That is assuming the bastard engine did not take a specific flywheel for that big ass oil seal.
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Motorbod
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| Posted: Fri Apr 10, 2020 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Split clutch question |
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Ok thanks. Braukuche.
That makes sense. Looks like I better get searching for a 200 mm flywheel. And hope it will fit my oil seal. Yes I am still running 6 volt. I assume that shouldn’t make a difference?
Thanks. Carl |
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BarryL 
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| Posted: Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:36 am Post subject: Re: Split clutch question |
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| Can you post pictures of your bell-housing side and your flywheel side? |
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Motorbod
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| Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:15 am Post subject: Re: Split clutch question |
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| Can you post pictures of your bell-housing side and your flywheel side? |
Here are some pictures Barryl. The bus is at my work so theses are all I have on my phone but hopefully they will help.
Carl.
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Terry Gaudet
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| Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 3:35 am Post subject: Re: Split clutch question |
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Hi Motorbod,
Your solution will be an easy one. And the best part is the transmission you have will matchup perfectly to the larger motor you will be putting in later.
So first off, you will have to get an adapter starter drive bushing to go from 6v starter to 12v transmission. It will be very thin but will make your application work. Also, you will need to remove the center collar on your pressure plate. There are two kinds of pressure plates that you might have. The 3 finger and the multi finger. On the 3 finger, you simply pry the spring clips away from the three small tabs at each end of the collar where it contact with the end of the 3 fingers and remove the collar. On the multi arm style, you need to get into the backside of that collar. It will have an inner washer which is held into place by the collar backside flange which was pressed into the washer to "crush" it into place. What you need to do is take a chizzel and hammer and bend the backside flange out until you can remove both the flange and the washer that was held in place to lock the collar in place. On some newer pressure plates, the multi finger style collar will be held in place by a spiral locking ring on the backside. Much easier to remove. Simply start at the spiral locking ring end and pull in circular motion to remove.
Best of luck and please post photos of your progress.
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Motorbod
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| Posted: Sun Apr 12, 2020 1:09 pm Post subject: Re: Split clutch question |
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| Terry Gaudet wrote: |
Hi Motorbod,
Your solution will be an easy one. And the best part is the transmission you have will matchup perfectly to the larger motor you will be putting in later.
So first off, you will have to get an adapter starter drive bushing to go from 6v starter to 12v transmission. It will be very thin but will make your application work. Also, you will need to remove the center collar on your pressure plate. There are two kinds of pressure plates that you might have. The 3 finger and the multi finger. On the 3 finger, you simply pry the spring clips away from the three small tabs at each end of the collar where it contact with the end of the 3 fingers and remove the collar. On the multi arm style, you need to get into the backside of that collar. It will have an inner washer which is held into place by the collar backside flange which was pressed into the washer to "crush" it into place. What you need to do is take a chizzel and hammer and bend the backside flange out until you can remove both the flange and the washer that was held in place to lock the collar in place. On some newer pressure plates, the multi finger style collar will be held in place by a spiral locking ring on the backside. Much easier to remove. Simply start at the spiral locking ring end and pull in circular motion to remove.
Best of luck and please post photos of your progress. |
Hi Terry.
Thank you for this. I have already fitted the bush so the starter is back in. I have a 3 finger plate so I will get the washer off as you have suggested. I assume I just use the later type thrust bearing that matches the box yes ?
Thank you very much for your help. Guess what I will be doing tomorrow.
I will take pictured of it all so someone can use them as a reference in the future.
Motorbod. |
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Motorbod
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| Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2020 11:52 am Post subject: Re: Split clutch question |
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| Terry Gaudet wrote: |
Hi Motorbod,
Your solution will be an easy one. And the best part is the transmission you have will matchup perfectly to the larger motor you will be putting in later.
So first off, you will have to get an adapter starter drive bushing to go from 6v starter to 12v transmission. It will be very thin but will make your application work. Also, you will need to remove the center collar on your pressure plate. There are two kinds of pressure plates that you might have. The 3 finger and the multi finger. On the 3 finger, you simply pry the spring clips away from the three small tabs at each end of the collar where it contact with the end of the 3 fingers and remove the collar. On the multi arm style, you need to get into the backside of that collar. It will have an inner washer which is held into place by the collar backside flange which was pressed into the washer to "crush" it into place. What you need to do is take a chizzel and hammer and bend the backside flange out until you can remove both the flange and the washer that was held in place to lock the collar in place. On some newer pressure plates, the multi finger style collar will be held in place by a spiral locking ring on the backside. Much easier to remove. Simply start at the spiral locking ring end and pull in circular motion to remove.
Best of luck and please post photos of your progress. |
Hi Terry.
Thanks again for your advice. I can confirm I have managed to fit the motor back in. So I used your advise but adapted the procedure a little. I used the thrust bearing from a late beetle (borrowed from my sons project). And adapted the pressure plate. What I did was file the outer washer rather than knocking it off. As it seemed a little less destructive. I have attached the pictures. I am lucky enough to have an air tool which I used to file the washers so it made easy work of it. I haven’t yet tried the pedal as the clip along with other stuff is being electroplated and I ran out of time to improvise. But I will confirm all works once I have finished the install. I hope someone finds this useful.
Thanks again. Saved me a load of hassle and money. !!
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