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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:54 pm    Post subject: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan Reply with quote

Boon or boondoogle ?

I hate things that are a pita to work on and the bug engine bay definitely qualifies. I foresee leaving the panel off until the motor is installed and test driven a few times. Kinda a Baja rat rod look Smile . I will eventually make the front apron assy removable for a wide eye Baja kit. Then I can do a sedan, a rat rod and a baja.


I still have some more tabs to add up high. Probably add 2 more fender mounting bolts on each side of the cut.

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:15 pm    Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan Reply with quote

let me know when you start making kits Laughing

I would wager that OG types won't be a fan, the high performance/Suby swap guys will think it's genius.

lol, I grafted a 57-63 ragtop into a 69 with wide fenders and early headlights. So I'm pro Frankenstein all the way as long as the final product looks like something that could have rolled off the factory floor.

If it makes your life easier, and it doesn't present a danger of falling/rattling off for whoever you sell it to down the road, then I say go for it and be proud of it.
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what kind of fenders do you plan on running? That might really be your only major hiccup
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan Reply with quote

Neat idea
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PostPosted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:22 pm    Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:47 am    Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan Reply with quote

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all held on with Dzus fasteners Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:47 am    Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan Reply with quote

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That is super slick but a ton more work and I would also worry about the precise fitting telescoping sections becoming trapped if [ when ] the body settles or warps a little bit from age or hard running.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:52 am    Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan Reply with quote

This also works pretty well on my car which is a 74. When they went to the crash bumpers they radically enlarged the double panel. It runs all the way from the rear of the body up to the vertical body mount that bolts to the shock tower. On an older body you would need to weld in larger doublers to spread the loads of the fasteners. Otherwise I would worry about stress cracks around the bolt holes.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:54 am    Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan Reply with quote

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all held on with Dzus fasteners Wink


While researching this idea I looked at a lot of racecar pics. On many of them they totally leave off the side panels.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:29 am    Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan Reply with quote

Give some thought to structural integrity in the event of a collision. That structure is not all for looks...

Especially if you have plans to do the front end in a similar fashion.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:39 am    Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan Reply with quote

Mines very similar except I cut it slightly lower so the join is covered by the deck lid.

Makes working on it so much easier for sure.

Maybe dzus fasteners on the wings would be a nice improvement.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:50 am    Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan Reply with quote

rayjay wrote:
Boon or boondoogle ?

I hate things that are a pita to work on and the bug engine bay definitely qualifies. I foresee leaving the panel off until the motor is installed and test driven a few times. Kinda a Baja rat rod look Smile . I will eventually make the front apron assy removable for a wide eye Baja kit. Then I can do a sedan, a rat rod and a baja.


I still have some more tabs to add up high. Probably add 2 more fender mounting bolts on each side of the cut.

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.....................................................................................................................................................................................................................i very much like what you did , for guys with dual carbs it would make it real easy to put a motor in there bug .and it would be easy to change spark plugs . and easy to tune the dual carbs hats off to you spencerfvee
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:01 am    Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan Reply with quote

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Give some thought to structural integrity in the event of a collision. That structure is not all for looks...

Especially if you have plans to do the front end in a similar fashion.
............................................................................................................................................if a bug gets hit in the rear .it does not matter . its going to do damage. with or with out this removable rear apron . look at all the bugs that dont use a rear bumper . when you drive a vw bug on the street you hope some nut wont hit your bug in the rear spencerfvee i still like very muck what he did
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:19 am    Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan Reply with quote

However you do it, it makes pulling the engine a breeze. I drilled out the factory spotwelds, welded up most of the holes, and I have a few bolts holding the thing together. You can hardly tell, and it doesn’t compromise the fender and bumper mounting. It is a bit more of a chore to get in and out, but for the few times I’ve needed it.. no big deal.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:33 am    Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan Reply with quote

You put some thought into this method. The bottom L channel accurately locates the apron so that all you need to do is position it between the fenders, put the front bottom edges of the apron into the channels, and push the apron forward until it stops. This lines up the apron quickly and easily.
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Will you weld matching nuts to the inner surfaces of the apron so that you only need to feed the bolts up in the wheelwells, and not mess with holding a nut and wrench in the engine compartment while you still have your other hand on the bolt head?

You could glue or otherwise fasten most of the engine compartment side panel insulation onto the apron side to hide the welded-in nuts.

How about grinding the tips of your bolts into a cone shape (like the body to chassis perimeter bolts) so that you can angle the bolt in slightly until it grabs the threads?

Additional tabs near the top of the fenderwell are wise. Your rear bumper mounts to the apron. If somebody puts their foot on the top of the bumper or you lean on it while doing engine work, you want the apron and the body to resist the bending torque of that force that works through the bumper mounts.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan Reply with quote

rayjay wrote:
Boon or boondoogle ?


Boon!!!


Before I back-halfed my car, I did something similar...used 3/32" steel plate to sandwich the inner fenderwell where I planned to make the cut. Drilled, cut, then welded the pair of plates, one plate per half of the fenderwell so that when everything was bolted up, the stock sheet metal was sandwiches between those steel plates.

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Initially, the fenders stayed bolted to the apron, and were dzus'd at the front; all I had to do was unbolt the apron from inside the engine bay and pull the back of the body off. Later, I dzus'd the fenders all the way around, just to make everything easier.
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Fenders would take a few seconds to pull off/put on. Apron still took a few minutes to remove the bolts, but it was pretty solid.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:36 pm    Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan Reply with quote

the nose on my baha Shocked Rolling Eyes was set up for either baja or the std style. I never got around to doing the rear and putting on the 4" wider rear fenders before I sold it. I did get another ass half to do what you did..just never got around to it.
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PostPosted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:51 pm    Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan Reply with quote

Stripped66 wrote:
rayjay wrote:
Boon or boondoogle ?

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That's bad ass stripped! Love the 1300 emblem🙂
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PostPosted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:41 pm    Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan Reply with quote

Rome wrote:

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Will you weld matching nuts to the inner surfaces of the apron so that you only need to feed the bolts up in the wheelwells, and not mess with holding a nut and wrench in the engine compartment while you still have your other hand on the bolt head?


If you look at the upper tab you can see where the paint is burned from welding a flange nut on the other side of the apron. So yes, all the fasteners on the inside will be welded in place.

I'm the kinda of person that welds loops on the underside of a racecar so that tying it down on the trailer only takes a couple of minutes. Make life easy !!
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