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rayjay Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2008 Posts: 1599 Location: Buford GA
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 4:54 pm Post subject: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan |
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Boon or boondoogle ?
I hate things that are a pita to work on and the bug engine bay definitely qualifies. I foresee leaving the panel off until the motor is installed and test driven a few times. Kinda a Baja rat rod look . I will eventually make the front apron assy removable for a wide eye Baja kit. Then I can do a sedan, a rat rod and a baja.
I still have some more tabs to add up high. Probably add 2 more fender mounting bolts on each side of the cut.
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quiksilver571 Samba Member

Joined: October 09, 2018 Posts: 9 Location: Texas
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan |
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let me know when you start making kits
I would wager that OG types won't be a fan, the high performance/Suby swap guys will think it's genius.
lol, I grafted a 57-63 ragtop into a 69 with wide fenders and early headlights. So I'm pro Frankenstein all the way as long as the final product looks like something that could have rolled off the factory floor.
If it makes your life easier, and it doesn't present a danger of falling/rattling off for whoever you sell it to down the road, then I say go for it and be proud of it.
what kind of fenders do you plan on running? That might really be your only major hiccup _________________ 1969 Standard
1969 Standard with ragtop graft |
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modok Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2009 Posts: 27672 Location: Colorado Springs
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 10:18 pm Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan |
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Neat idea |
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66brm Samba Member

Joined: January 25, 2010 Posts: 3676 Location: Perth Western Australia
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Posted: Sat Nov 14, 2020 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan |
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https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=726062 _________________ Aust. RHD 66 Type 1
Aust. RHD 57 Type 1 Oval
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I am an expert at fitting things in holes, been doing it a long time |
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madmike Samba Member
Joined: July 11, 2005 Posts: 5300 Location: Atlanta,Michigan
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 4:47 am Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan |
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all held on with Dzus fasteners  _________________ 'Black Ice'Drag Buggy 'Turbo'
Rail Buggy 1915 turbo
76 Drag/Street bug 2180cc 'Turbo' 11:85 @113 mph"If I go any faster I'll burn up the Hamster" ,gets 28 mpg. also 10/09/22 11.90 @115 mph
"If I'm ever on Life Support,UNPLUG Me, Then Plug me back In see if that Works" |
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rayjay Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2008 Posts: 1599 Location: Buford GA
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:47 am Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan |
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That is super slick but a ton more work and I would also worry about the precise fitting telescoping sections becoming trapped if [ when ] the body settles or warps a little bit from age or hard running. |
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rayjay Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2008 Posts: 1599 Location: Buford GA
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:52 am Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan |
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This also works pretty well on my car which is a 74. When they went to the crash bumpers they radically enlarged the double panel. It runs all the way from the rear of the body up to the vertical body mount that bolts to the shock tower. On an older body you would need to weld in larger doublers to spread the loads of the fasteners. Otherwise I would worry about stress cracks around the bolt holes. |
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rayjay Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2008 Posts: 1599 Location: Buford GA
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 5:54 am Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan |
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madmike wrote: |
all held on with Dzus fasteners  |
While researching this idea I looked at a lot of racecar pics. On many of them they totally leave off the side panels. |
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oprn Samba Member

Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 14786 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan |
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Give some thought to structural integrity in the event of a collision. That structure is not all for looks...
Especially if you have plans to do the front end in a similar fashion. |
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UK Luke 72 Samba Member

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spencerfvee Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2004 Posts: 3068
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 6:50 am Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan |
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rayjay wrote: |
Boon or boondoogle ?
I hate things that are a pita to work on and the bug engine bay definitely qualifies. I foresee leaving the panel off until the motor is installed and test driven a few times. Kinda a Baja rat rod look . I will eventually make the front apron assy removable for a wide eye Baja kit. Then I can do a sedan, a rat rod and a baja.
I still have some more tabs to add up high. Probably add 2 more fender mounting bolts on each side of the cut.
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.....................................................................................................................................................................................................................i very much like what you did , for guys with dual carbs it would make it real easy to put a motor in there bug .and it would be easy to change spark plugs . and easy to tune the dual carbs hats off to you spencerfvee |
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spencerfvee Samba Member
Joined: August 19, 2004 Posts: 3068
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:01 am Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan |
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oprn wrote: |
Give some thought to structural integrity in the event of a collision. That structure is not all for looks...
Especially if you have plans to do the front end in a similar fashion. |
............................................................................................................................................if a bug gets hit in the rear .it does not matter . its going to do damage. with or with out this removable rear apron . look at all the bugs that dont use a rear bumper . when you drive a vw bug on the street you hope some nut wont hit your bug in the rear spencerfvee i still like very muck what he did |
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esde Samba Member

Joined: October 20, 2007 Posts: 6335 Location: central rust belt
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 7:19 am Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan |
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However you do it, it makes pulling the engine a breeze. I drilled out the factory spotwelds, welded up most of the holes, and I have a few bolts holding the thing together. You can hardly tell, and it doesn’t compromise the fender and bumper mounting. It is a bit more of a chore to get in and out, but for the few times I’ve needed it.. no big deal. _________________ modok wrote:
Bent cranks are silent but gather no moss. I mean, ah, something like that. |
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Rome Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2004 Posts: 10552 Location: Pearl River, NY
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 10:33 am Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan |
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You put some thought into this method. The bottom L channel accurately locates the apron so that all you need to do is position it between the fenders, put the front bottom edges of the apron into the channels, and push the apron forward until it stops. This lines up the apron quickly and easily.
Will you weld matching nuts to the inner surfaces of the apron so that you only need to feed the bolts up in the wheelwells, and not mess with holding a nut and wrench in the engine compartment while you still have your other hand on the bolt head?
You could glue or otherwise fasten most of the engine compartment side panel insulation onto the apron side to hide the welded-in nuts.
How about grinding the tips of your bolts into a cone shape (like the body to chassis perimeter bolts) so that you can angle the bolt in slightly until it grabs the threads?
Additional tabs near the top of the fenderwell are wise. Your rear bumper mounts to the apron. If somebody puts their foot on the top of the bumper or you lean on it while doing engine work, you want the apron and the body to resist the bending torque of that force that works through the bumper mounts. |
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Stripped66 Samba Member

Joined: May 31, 2005 Posts: 3509 Location: Charleston, SC
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 2:25 pm Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan |
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rayjay wrote: |
Boon or boondoogle ?
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Boon!!!
Before I back-halfed my car, I did something similar...used 3/32" steel plate to sandwich the inner fenderwell where I planned to make the cut. Drilled, cut, then welded the pair of plates, one plate per half of the fenderwell so that when everything was bolted up, the stock sheet metal was sandwiches between those steel plates.
Outer plates:
You can see the inner plates here:
Initially, the fenders stayed bolted to the apron, and were dzus'd at the front; all I had to do was unbolt the apron from inside the engine bay and pull the back of the body off. Later, I dzus'd the fenders all the way around, just to make everything easier.
Fenders would take a few seconds to pull off/put on. Apron still took a few minutes to remove the bolts, but it was pretty solid. _________________
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Why not just make a custom set of wires with a Y splice in them. Then you could just run one distributor. |
I don't think electrickery works that way |
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mark tucker Samba Member

Joined: April 08, 2009 Posts: 23950 Location: SHALIMAR ,FLORIDA
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:36 pm Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan |
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the nose on my baha was set up for either baja or the std style. I never got around to doing the rear and putting on the 4" wider rear fenders before I sold it. I did get another ass half to do what you did..just never got around to it. |
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gprudenciop Samba Member

Joined: July 06, 2008 Posts: 606 Location: portland or
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Posted: Sun Nov 15, 2020 8:51 pm Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan |
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Stripped66 wrote: |
rayjay wrote: |
Boon or boondoogle ?
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That's bad ass stripped! Love the 1300 emblem🙂 _________________ Never look down at anybody unless you are helping them up..
Loaning someone your strength instead of reminding them of their weakness = kindness.. |
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rayjay Samba Member
Joined: March 26, 2008 Posts: 1599 Location: Buford GA
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Posted: Wed Nov 18, 2020 12:41 pm Post subject: Re: Removable Apron on Steroids -or- Sedan to Baja and Back to Sedan |
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Rome wrote: |
Will you weld matching nuts to the inner surfaces of the apron so that you only need to feed the bolts up in the wheelwells, and not mess with holding a nut and wrench in the engine compartment while you still have your other hand on the bolt head? |
If you look at the upper tab you can see where the paint is burned from welding a flange nut on the other side of the apron. So yes, all the fasteners on the inside will be welded in place.
I'm the kinda of person that welds loops on the underside of a racecar so that tying it down on the trailer only takes a couple of minutes. Make life easy !! |
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