Store bought gear box

[mcmscott]

Be cautious about buying from fancy vendors with a fancy website, they are not what they appear.
This "built" gearbox was brought to me because it was jumping out of third, kinda strange as that is not the normal problem. Found the fourth gear thrust washer left out and a host of other very "rookie" mistakes.

Notice the dowels are left out of the case and the great welds on 3-4 hubs

I'll post more as I get it back together.
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68 Ghia
67 T-1
65 Notch
02 Mexican beetle
74 Thing
15 Long travel rail
07 Nomad
05 f-250

[mcmscott]

More junk

Some of the stuff cleaned

someone should step away from the hammer, this will require a trip to the lathe.

The way I remove the small pinion nut even tho I have this

Badly pitted 1st gear race

Pinion nut back ot with early 1st bearing and another race

The grinder gouges on the splines are from the previous shop and believe it or not will not effect the pinion.

1-2 slider bieng modified for late shift rail

New synchros

Modifying 3rd fixed gear for wider snap ring for 0 clearance

Finished pinion assembly
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68 Ghia
67 T-1
65 Notch
02 Mexican beetle
74 Thing
15 Long travel rail
07 Nomad
05 f-250

[Chad M]

That looks great! Nice save.

[Brian_e]

I have had to deal with two brand new boxes from the trans shop with the biggest ads. One took forever to get and made all kinds of noises right away. The other was leaking as soon as it was filled with lube. Those were for buddies cars I did the engines for.

Scott will be building my next boxes.

Keep up the good work!!

Brian

[mark tucker]

sweet!!!! this is the kinda crap Ive seen oh somany times as has everybody else. great work go's unnoticed 99% of the time, crap...well it gets noticed. if somebody that actually knows the difference gets to see it .just be carfull you dont offend the moron that did it or you will get nasty grams from .......the moderator... as the moron's tend to complain when they get their panty's in a wadd from being outed.....for being a moron,cheet,scammer, clueless hammer wheedling... whatever.....gee I hope I dodnt offend anybody with this.sorry everett just trying to eaze up your in box. I truly apologize for any crap Ive caused on your doorstep. you have one hell of a site hear.
is there a reason you would need to beat the crap out of the carrier like that???wtf? possiably they just picked up the BFH instead of the little bronze finishing hammer...... no i aint even done a swingy thingy but I kinda doubt you need to bash the living crap out of it.

[mcmscott]

Well the owner of this box does not want to throw the original builder under the bus, so I cannot mention names, if he wants to, then that is his choice. Thanks for the replies. I'll get some pics of the mainshaft as it comes together.
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68 Ghia
67 T-1
65 Notch
02 Mexican beetle
74 Thing
15 Long travel rail
07 Nomad
05 f-250

[wcfvw69]

[mcmscott]

Boring the 3-4 gearsets to accept a modified 002 slider hub(after welding ect.)

Modifying a 002 3-4 slider hub for modified 113 gearsets

002 mainshaft ( often called a superbeetle mainshaft for no reason)

Modifying the 3-4 hub to accept an 091 snapring

pinion shaft assembled after setting end play on 3rd and 4th gears
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68 Ghia
67 T-1
65 Notch
02 Mexican beetle
74 Thing
15 Long travel rail
07 Nomad
05 f-250

[jpaull]

Its Mine, I spent $2,000 for it in hopes that it would be able to handle daily street driving. It took a year for me to restore my bug and get the trans installed and drive it for the first few times to find out it was popping out of 3rd under load.

I called the builder and he was pretty cool, he sent a prepaid shipping tag and said he would fix it for free. With what might be the last Bug-o-rama here in Sacramento in 2 weeks, and kinda scared about the odds of getting it back and working like it should, I figured its more worth it for me to pay again vs pay again with time(pulling apart multiple times) if its not done correctly the 2nd time by the original builder. In all fairness, its possible that I could have sent the transmission back and the builder found out "oh, dang it, I just hired a employee to build transmissions and fired him already, and your transmission was the victim" and builds me a primo transmission next time. Or whatever. So I'm not naming names. This transmission came from Arizona, but any state could have a situation where a new guy put a transmission together wrong.

I have seen MCM Scotts posts and can see he knows his stuff, and honestly did not know he's welcoming new work, as he has not solicited for trans-building business. (I think he should though).

I brought the transmission over to MCMScotts yesterday after work, and he pulled it apart in front of me, and showed me each little piece. He pointed out that most of the parts are out of early 6V trans that is kind of the "bottom of the barrel" of core stuff. The missing thrust washer, no alignment dowel pins, improper spacing between the gears, and improper wear from 3 days of driving because of all that. (aside from the popping out of 3rd).

After seeing what's inside, I can see that I had a expensive looking outside with a inside that had no hope of surviving.

I'm not the type to bitch and moan and look for compensation, or tell the original builder this or that needs to be done, I am fine to just move on and work with more careful builders/enthusiasts.

Hopefully I can save others trouble, and moral to the story is to buy from people that will NOT let their transmissions leave their shop with this type of "rebuild". Everyone makes mistakes, but their is a big difference between careless crap and honest mistakes.

To be in the company and do business with people that passionately want to do a good job, know their stuff, and "transparent" is priceless.

Many Kudos to MCMSCOTT
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Transmission by MCMScott:
Rhino case, Klinkenberg 4.12, Superdiff, 002 mainshaft with 091 first idler. Weddle 1.48 Third & 1.14 Fourth.

[mcmscott]

I agree, sometimes it is easier to just move on. I did not mean for this thread to be about bashing a particullar shop, more just don't be swayed by flashy ads and stuff. And thanks for the kudos!
Also I figured some people might want to see what goes into a decent street gearbox, albiet the condensed version.
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68 Ghia
67 T-1
65 Notch
02 Mexican beetle
74 Thing
15 Long travel rail
07 Nomad
05 f-250

[Skruffy2]

"In all fairness, its possible that I could have sent the transmission back and the builder found out "oh, dang it, I just hired a employee to build transmissions and fired him already, and your transmission was the victim" and builds me a primo transmission next time. Or whatever. So I'm not naming names."

You know, I appreciate your trying to be a stand up guy, but I disagree with it.

Lets assume your scenario is true...

Also, lets assume this is an ongoing enterprise.

If the fault lies with a new employee, it actually doesn't. The owner also knows its a new employee and should be carefully monitoring his work and doing quality control. This shouldn't happen.

In fact, there should be well defined internal controls in place to ensure a consistent and quality product comes out every time.

I'm not trying to bust your ball-joints, but IMO not naming the vendor has the potential to put someone else in the same position. If the vendor is conscientious, he would take the lead on this, explain why it happened (Not make excuses) and what steps were put in place to prevent it in the future.

JMO

[modok]

I let the guy at the front counter handle the distribution of blame and dollars, it's mostly BS anyway.
Making mechanical things that work is a completely different skillset.

[Frank Bassman]

I find that sometimes it's not the employees that do a bad job of rebuilding. A lot of times shop OWNERS with a stick up their ass press employees to do a shit job but do it quick...going against what a seasoned operator would say. This doesn't seem to be the case here... But those pictures really make you wonder what kind of other trash has left this shop in question.

-Frank

[slalombuggy]

Before everyone gets their pitchforks and torches remember that the owner chose not to send it to the original builder due to time and that's fine. The shop that built it was ready and willing to stand behind their work which is all we can ask of the shops we deal with. While the work shown does show a lack of quality and pretty poor for the money spent at least he wasn't told to go piss in his hat.

I can testify that Scott builds a great box. My 3.88/.82 box in my race car has about 600 miles on it and shifts silky smooth.

brad

[74 Thing]

Every time I see photos of Scott's shop I want to work there.

Jeff, what do you mean the last Sac Bug O Rama?

[Singerdude]

Unfortunately a recurring pattern in our hobby. JPaul, I sympathize with you.

And I also understand you wanting to minimize downtime so you take the financial hit. I have done the same in the past.

I tend to agree with skruffy2 though, there should've been some degree of quality control. You said it yourself, the internals are bottom rung quality, not only poorly assembled, thus I see no reason to protect this shop even though they offered to honor their warranty.

Still, it is kind of comforting to know that some people still know how to do the job and still take pride in the quality of their builds. MCMscott, I tip my hat to you.

[jpaull]

[jpaull]

[74 Thing]

Damn, I should have guessed it was property related. I remember when Fremont had a track. The only one left will be in Sonoma.

How long did it take you to drive from Sac to Scott's shop?

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