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michaeltag Samba Member

Joined: August 22, 2015 Posts: 70 Location: SF East Bay, Northern California
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:06 pm Post subject: Troubleshooting Dead Circuit in Vanagon Interior |
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This is a question about an annoying electrical mishap.
Here is what happened in chronological order
The map-light above the glove box has been falling out of the hole in the dash when we hit bumps, occasionally, and we have to push it back in to the rectangular hole in the dash. So, this time, when we were parked after a drive, at the very instant that my wife pushed it back in, the camper light, located above the counter to the left of the stove, which happened to be on, went out. The map light that she had pushed in, was dead. One by one, from this moment on, we noticed that everything associated with fuse #3, the radio (in our case, an in-dash Alpine receiver w/Bluetooth), ALL of the interior lights, the factory/dealer cigarette lighter, were all without power. I say "one by one" in the sense that we noticed them one by one. It really seems likely that they all went dead at the same moment the camper light over the counter went dead.
I found the appropriate fuse and it is listed on the inside of the fuse cover as fuse #3. (See photo below.)
I replaced it, and there was no change.
We are home from the trip now and I have looked up the fuses in my Bentley manual, and was kind of thinking that maybe that I am on to a possible hint to the problem—the fuse that was installed was a 25 amp fuse. I thought that sounded a little high.
Sure enough, what is listed in "Fuse arrangement" in 97.102 of Bentley is "3: Cigarette lighter, radio, clock, interior lights, central locking system (an option I don't have)" followed by "10" in the amp column !
Is it a common practice for these fuses to be increased in amperage by stereo installers when they're replacing factory radios with higher power stereos, perhaps?
Is it possible that when my wife pushed that map light back in to the dash that something shorted, and since there was such a large fuse installed, it fried the circuit somewhere instead of blowing the fuse? I don't see any burnt insulation near that map light. It's just that the plastic tabs and the hole it inserts into are ill-fitting. I was able to inspect the wiring up several inches from the map light by dropping it down into the glove box.
I really do need to figure this out. I rely on the Bluetooth stereo for communication when at the wheel. Any ideas? I hope I have explained it clearly.
Thanks in advance! _________________ '87 Vanagon GL Westfalia Syncro w/ rear locker
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member

Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 10377 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 6:33 pm Post subject: Re: Troubleshooting Dead Circuit in Vanagon Interior |
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It is very common for all those things to be moved to the aux battery instead and then fuse #3 isn't their fuse anymore.
If your van has an aux battery then check the fuse(s) at it.
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Red Ryder Samba Member

Joined: June 26, 2021 Posts: 1185 Location: PNW — Washington
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Posted: Sat Sep 11, 2021 7:40 pm Post subject: Re: Troubleshooting Dead Circuit in Vanagon Interior |
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It is easy to blow the fuse when re-inserting the map light. Because that circuit has constant power, the contact for the bulb shorts out on the sheet metal under the dash. Probably a blown light bulb. Replace the 10A fuse and check all the interior light bulbs (map light, dome lights and kitchenette light). _________________ “Most everyone’s mad here. You may have noticed I am not quite all there myself.” — Cheshire Cat, Adventures of Alice in Wonderland
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Wildthings Samba Member

Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 52359
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 12:03 am Post subject: Re: Troubleshooting Dead Circuit in Vanagon Interior |
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The positive wire to the light can and will short to ground as the light is removed or inserted, not the best engineering out there. If you replace the stock non insulate spade with a fully insulated spade that would help. You may be able to swap the two wires as well, but don't really remember. Put several dabs of black silicone around the periphery of the light when you reinstall it next time so it can't fall out any more. |
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Captain Pike Samba Member

Joined: December 30, 2003 Posts: 3437 Location: Talos IV, Piedmont Arizona
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Posted: Sun Sep 12, 2021 7:29 am Post subject: Re: Troubleshooting Dead Circuit in Vanagon Interior |
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It may still be shorted. _________________ LEARN TO SELF RESCUE
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