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kingkarmann Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:17 pm Post subject: Solex Pict3 Carb. Is it compatible with a 1500? |
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I tried several ways of searching and found no specific answers.
I recently acquired a 67 Ghia with the original motor. AS I understand the "H" code engines received the PICT1 carburetor. At some point they replaced the carb with a PICT3.
Generally the carb looks to be in good shape and the car does run well overall but I'm getting some flat spotting on acceleration. I did a rebuild and suspect there is still some fine tuning to do. I also read that I may need to take a closer look at the accelerator pump adjustment.
Anyhow, I don't want to end up chasing my tail if the the PICT3 in not a great choice.
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67rustavenger Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 1:56 pm Post subject: Re: Solex Pict3 Carb. Is it compatible with a 1500? |
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Is the carb a 34 pict 3? Paired with an 009 distributor?
That is a known bad combination.
You'd be better off with a 30 Pict 1 and a 205K distributor. That's a great pairing for the SP 67 engine. _________________ I have learned over the years.
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kingkarmann Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:14 pm Post subject: Re: Solex Pict3 Carb. Is it compatible with a 1500? |
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67rustavenger wrote: |
Is the carb a 34 pict 3? Paired with an 009 distributor?
That is a known bad combination.
You'd be better off with a 30 Pict 1 and a 205K distributor. That's a great pairing for the SP 67 engine. |
Original distributor
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SevenOaks Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: Solex Pict3 Carb. Is it compatible with a 1500? |
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My SC has an H case engine, now 1600, and I added a 30 pict 3 carb rebuilt by Volksbitz. It runs great with the Bosch 205T sva distributor. The only thing I had to do was add a spacer between the carb and intake in order for the idle shutoff to clear the generator. _________________ David
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heimlich VWNOS.com
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 2:52 pm Post subject: Re: Solex Pict3 Carb. Is it compatible with a 1500? |
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I assume this is a 30 PICT3.
How many degrees do you have your engine timed?
Are you able to get the engine to idle? _________________ www.vwnos.com [email protected]
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Alstrup Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Solex Pict3 Carb. Is it compatible with a 1500? |
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No matter if it is the 30 or 31 Pict3, you need to replace either the carb to one that corresponds with the distributor, - or the distributor to one that corresponds with the carb.
Since it is a ´67 I lean towards replacing the carb with the right model. _________________ https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=435993 |
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FarmerBill Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Solex Pict3 Carb. Is it compatible with a 1500? |
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Starting in August 1966 (start of1967 model year) the 1500 Ghia would have had a 30 pict 1 with a base stamping number of vw107-1 or vw106-1, paired with a 113.905.205K distributor. I don't know if this carb/distributor combination was continued through all of 67 or not.
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kingkarmann Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: Solex Pict3 Carb. Is it compatible with a 1500? |
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Alstrup wrote: |
No matter if it is the 30 or 31 Pict3, you need to replace either the carb to one that corresponds with the distributor, - or the distributor to one that corresponds with the carb.
Since it is a ´67 I lean towards replacing the carb with the right model. |
Thanks
You’re confirming what I suspecting.
I haven’t worked on stock motors for a very long time.
Any suggestions for vendors an original stock PICT1?
Looks like I’ll have a nice PICT3 for sale in the future _________________ "Depression is a malfunction of the instrument we use to determine reality.”
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tasb The Distributor Distributor
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: Solex Pict3 Carb. Is it compatible with a 1500? |
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You could also run a 113 M distributor. It would have the appearance of the correct 1967 distributor with the short cap. The 113 T uses a taller cap and rotor like those on a 009. They are both vacuum advance distributors that use the same vacuum advance canister. _________________ Roads Scholar &
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kingkarmann Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:52 pm Post subject: Re: Solex Pict3 Carb. Is it compatible with a 1500? |
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heimlich wrote: |
I assume this is a 30 PICT3.
How many degrees do you have your engine timed?
Are you able to get the engine to idle? |
7.5 BTDC
Yes, idles well. _________________ "Depression is a malfunction of the instrument we use to determine reality.”
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kingkarmann Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 4:54 pm Post subject: Re: Solex Pict3 Carb. Is it compatible with a 1500? |
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FarmerBill wrote: |
Starting in August 1966 (start of1967 model year) the 1500 Ghia would have had a 30 pict 1 with a base stamping number of vw107-1 or vw106-1, paired with a 113.905.205K distributor. I don't know if this carb/distributor combination was continued through all of 67 or not.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/550893.jpg |
Thanks for that.
I will double check the distributor stamping. I believe it’s original to the engine. _________________ "Depression is a malfunction of the instrument we use to determine reality.”
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oprn Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Nov 14, 2021 6:52 pm Post subject: Re: Solex Pict3 Carb. Is it compatible with a 1500? |
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Don’t overlook the heat riser condition. Lack of intake heat can do this too. _________________ We had the stone age, the bronze age, the industrial age and now we are in the age of mass deception and mind control for corporate profit. (The mass media age) |
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tasb The Distributor Distributor
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 1:11 am Post subject: Re: Solex Pict3 Carb. Is it compatible with a 1500? |
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FarmerBill wrote: |
Starting in August 1966 (start of1967 model year) the 1500 Ghia would have had a 30 pict 1 with a base stamping number of vw107-1 or vw106-1, paired with a 113.905.205K distributor. I don't know if this carb/distributor combination was continued through all of 67 or not.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/550893.jpg |
The 113 K distributor was continued all the way through 1967 model year production. _________________ Roads Scholar &
1957 Kombi low mileage 36 hp governor equipped M 178 Slow Drag Winner 2014, 2015, 2018
1965 hardtop Deluxe Microbus owned since 1990 M 620 factory 12 v 1500cc
1961 (October)Single Cab- Road Trip Workhorse |
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kingkarmann Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Nov 15, 2021 7:12 am Post subject: Re: Solex Pict3 Carb. Is it compatible with a 1500? |
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tasb wrote: |
FarmerBill wrote: |
Starting in August 1966 (start of1967 model year) the 1500 Ghia would have had a 30 pict 1 with a base stamping number of vw107-1 or vw106-1, paired with a 113.905.205K distributor. I don't know if this carb/distributor combination was continued through all of 67 or not.
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The 113 K distributor was continued all the way through 1967 model year production. |
Thnaks for that! _________________ "Depression is a malfunction of the instrument we use to determine reality.”
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kingkarmann Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 16, 2021 9:54 am Post subject: Re: Solex Pict3 Carb. Is it compatible with a 1500? |
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Update,
I have found a nice core that will be sent off to Tim at Volksbitz for a rebuild/restore.
I guess I will have a nice Solex PICT3 up for sale at some point.
Thanks all for your help! _________________ "Depression is a malfunction of the instrument we use to determine reality.”
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kingkarmann Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 9:15 am Post subject: Re: Solex Pict3 Carb. Is it compatible with a 1500? |
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FarmerBill wrote: |
Starting in August 1966 (start of1967 model year) the 1500 Ghia would have had a 30 pict 1 with a base stamping number of vw107-1 or vw106-1, paired with a 113.905.205K distributor. I don't know if this carb/distributor combination was continued through all of 67 or not.
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I confirmed that 113.905.205K is the distributor in my Ghia.
The PICT 1 I have is stamped "VW 75-1". It also has another stamp "B 6 140"
Would that be for a different model perhaps?
Thanks _________________ "Depression is a malfunction of the instrument we use to determine reality.”
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FarmerBill Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:08 pm Post subject: Re: Solex Pict3 Carb. Is it compatible with a 1500? |
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VW 75-1 is for a 1300 beetle. You're looking for a 30 pict1 with what they called the "power fuel system". If you look down the throat of the carb with the float bowl closest to you you'll see a small brass tube just below and to the side of the float bowl vent tube, that's the power fuel tube. The VW 75-1 doesn't have this tube. I believe all 1500 engines had some version of the carb with the power fuel system while the 1300 engines did not. |
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kingkarmann Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:24 pm Post subject: Re: Solex Pict3 Carb. Is it compatible with a 1500? |
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FarmerBill wrote: |
VW 75-1 is for a 1300 beetle. You're looking for a 30 pict1 with what they called the "power fuel system". If you look down the throat of the carb with the float bowl closest to you you'll see a small brass tube just below and to the side of the float bowl vent tube, that's the power fuel tube. The VW 75-1 doesn't have this tube. I believe all 1500 engines had some version of the carb with the power fuel system while the 1300 engines did not. |
Thank you for the info.
Looks like I have the wrong one or can mine be modified. _________________ "Depression is a malfunction of the instrument we use to determine reality.”
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tasb The Distributor Distributor
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:41 pm Post subject: Re: Solex Pict3 Carb. Is it compatible with a 1500? |
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kingkarmann wrote: |
FarmerBill wrote: |
Starting in August 1966 (start of1967 model year) the 1500 Ghia would have had a 30 pict 1 with a base stamping number of vw107-1 or vw106-1, paired with a 113.905.205K distributor. I don't know if this carb/distributor combination was continued through all of 67 or not.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/550893.jpg |
I confirmed that 113.905.205K is the distributor in my Ghia.
The PICT 1 I have is stamped "VW 75-1". It also has another stamp "B 6 140"
Would that be for a different model perhaps?
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Those other numbers are most likely manufacturing plant number shift and date of manufacture. _________________ Roads Scholar &
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1965 hardtop Deluxe Microbus owned since 1990 M 620 factory 12 v 1500cc
1961 (October)Single Cab- Road Trip Workhorse |
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kingkarmann Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Nov 18, 2021 6:47 pm Post subject: Re: Solex Pict3 Carb. Is it compatible with a 1500? |
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tasb wrote: |
kingkarmann wrote: |
FarmerBill wrote: |
Starting in August 1966 (start of1967 model year) the 1500 Ghia would have had a 30 pict 1 with a base stamping number of vw107-1 or vw106-1, paired with a 113.905.205K distributor. I don't know if this carb/distributor combination was continued through all of 67 or not.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/gallery/pix/550893.jpg |
I confirmed that 113.905.205K is the distributor in my Ghia.
The PICT 1 I have is stamped "VW 75-1". It also has another stamp "B 6 140"
Would that be for a different model perhaps?
Thanks |
Those other numbers are most likely manufacturing plant number shift and date of manufacture. |
Thanks for that!
Sure wish I had known that there were variations of the PICT1😔
I’m on a fixed income! _________________ "Depression is a malfunction of the instrument we use to determine reality.”
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