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v.a.s.cleaning Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Dec 29, 2021 10:12 am Post subject: Re: The Adventures of a 1958 Palm Green/Sand Green (PGSG) Westfalia |
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Cool
You where the hard bidder on that one
Love to see what you do with it
Super nice bus ! _________________ 51ragtop
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Box on Wheels Samba Member
Joined: September 05, 2004 Posts: 398 Location: The Box,CA
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Posted: Thu Dec 30, 2021 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: The Adventures of a 1958 Palm Green/Sand Green (PGSG) Westfalia |
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Thank you everyone. This is definitely a fun project Bus. Lots of originality. It’s a shame half of the interior is missing. Here are pictures of the interior cab divider curtains. Don’t know if they are original or replacements. If they’re replacements, they would’ve have been done sometime in the 1960’s or early 1970’s seeing that this Bus was parked 45 plus years ago. Pretty cool design if you ask me. Wonder where they came from? Wonder if this fabric design is still around?
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RockStock Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2004 Posts: 3929 Location: England
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Posted: Fri Dec 31, 2021 6:12 am Post subject: Re: The Adventures of a 1958 Palm Green/Sand Green (PGSG) Westfalia |
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Ace bus…the stuff of dreams.
Can you post up pictures of the underside? & under the front arches?
Interested to see how solid the bus is.
Would be cool to just roll it as is…curtains and all. _________________ -StockRocks- |
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Box on Wheels Samba Member
Joined: September 05, 2004 Posts: 398 Location: The Box,CA
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: The Adventures of a 1958 Palm Green/Sand Green (PGSG) Westfalia |
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I may have been spoiled with the somewhat dry West Coast Buses that I’ve been surrounded with. This Westy has a bit more rust than I’m used to in the past. Interesting how nice the battery try is. The paint will need some touch up in places. I am guessing that the water froze and melted slowly over the years to make the rust rings in certain spots of the exterior. For now, I think I’ll roll it as is and work on the rust repairs down the road. The goal is to have this Bus running and driving by spring 2022.
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64 Türkis SO-35 Flip seat Westfalia
66 Pearl White SO-42 Pop-Top Westfalia
67 Titian Red SO-42 Pop-Top walk-thru Westfalia
64 Safari Beige Sunroof Notchback
97 993 S Coupe
97 993 Cabriolet
04 996 C4S Coupe
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Jung Restoration Samba Member
Joined: May 30, 2004 Posts: 592 Location: Maine
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: The Adventures of a 1958 Palm Green/Sand Green (PGSG) Westfalia |
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That bus is "East Coast Solid" _________________ Wanted : January '57 Palm Green Sand Green Bus Parts - Middle and Rear Seat Frames - flat back. I have original seat covers but would consider covered frames.
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earlywesty Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 2358 Location: In the woods, Ontario
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 2:36 pm Post subject: Re: The Adventures of a 1958 Palm Green/Sand Green (PGSG) Westfalia |
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I think I have an og paint front door hinge if you need it, bonus points for it being off a pgsg westy too .
That bus is quite solid by my accounts. |
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Eric&Barb Samba Member
Joined: September 19, 2004 Posts: 24772 Location: Olympia Wash Rinse & Repeat
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: The Adventures of a 1958 Palm Green/Sand Green (PGSG) Westfalia |
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Box on Wheels wrote: |
I am guessing that the water froze and melted slowly over the years to make the rust rings in certain spots of the exterior. |
Seen same on buses with little to no ice and snow climate areas. It is just how rust works its way under the paint and in a way crowbars that much of the paint. Then again, again and again.... _________________ In Stereo, Where Available! |
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BarryL Samba Member
Joined: November 01, 2004 Posts: 14277 Location: Casa de Oro, California
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 6:59 pm Post subject: Re: The Adventures of a 1958 Palm Green/Sand Green (PGSG) Westfalia |
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A happy little jack point rust face poking fun at the outrigger. |
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EverettB Administrator
Joined: April 11, 2000 Posts: 69834 Location: Phoenix Metro
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Posted: Sun Jan 02, 2022 10:54 pm Post subject: Re: The Adventures of a 1958 Palm Green/Sand Green (PGSG) Westfalia |
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BarryL wrote: |
A happy little jack point rust face poking fun at the outrigger. |
This stuff is probably rust/mud/salt getting packed in there and rusting it out from the inside.
I've seen that before on the jack points and outriggers, even on Buses that were pretty solid otherwise. _________________ How to Post Photos
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Braukuche Samba Member
Joined: September 03, 2004 Posts: 11005
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Posted: Mon Jan 03, 2022 8:54 am Post subject: Re: The Adventures of a 1958 Palm Green/Sand Green (PGSG) Westfalia |
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Better get it on the long term list if you know what I mean. Surprisingly a lot of the upper rust has not punched through but it won’t be long, and then you’ll have a whole new set of problems to deal with.
When the paint stops doing it’s job you have two choices, let the bus slowly return to the earth or fix it and paint it. _________________ Go Reds! Smash state!
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Long-roofs Samba Member
Joined: March 20, 2002 Posts: 2295 Location: Millwood, Wa
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 9:03 am Post subject: Re: The Adventures of a 1958 Palm Green/Sand Green (PGSG) Westfalia |
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Excellent Bus. How many PGSG Westy's had original safaris? In late '90's, I parted a '59 Mango Westy with original Safaris, just south of where this Bus came from, in to South Dakota.
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von_hansel Samba Member
Joined: June 12, 2006 Posts: 635 Location: Inland Empire
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Posted: Tue Jan 04, 2022 10:05 am Post subject: Re: The Adventures of a 1958 Palm Green/Sand Green (PGSG) Westfalia |
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Long-roofs wrote: |
Excellent Bus. How many PGSG Westy's had original safaris? |
I believe Mike M's '58 is an original safari, original 6 popout PGSG Westy
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Box on Wheels Samba Member
Joined: September 05, 2004 Posts: 398 Location: The Box,CA
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:43 am Post subject: Re: The Adventures of a 1958 Palm Green/Sand Green (PGSG) Westfalia |
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Jung Restoration wrote: |
58euro wrote: |
Jung Restoration wrote: |
I bid on this as well, this is a unicorn bus in my eyes. Canadian model too I believe?
I was in the process of selling off as many projects and parts to try and buy this bus, but once the price hit and exceeded what I thought was reasonable, it was over.
Anyway, really glad it's back in the rotation. |
My 61 single cab that we bought out of North Dakota had a Volkswagen Sticker looked identical to this in the same place. Probably just a coincidence. |
That's kinda why I assumed this westy was Canadian. I have a 60 Kombi that came from northern ND and it also has that Volkswagen sticker under the hatch.
Don't want to hijack this thread - Congrats on owning this bus, looking forward to seeing it back in action! |
My Palm Green Sand Green Westfalia is definitely a Midwest USA Bus. I wonder what dealerships were using the “Volkswagen” water decal stickers back then? _________________ 58 PGSG Westfalia
64 Türkis SO-35 Flip seat Westfalia
66 Pearl White SO-42 Pop-Top Westfalia
67 Titian Red SO-42 Pop-Top walk-thru Westfalia
64 Safari Beige Sunroof Notchback
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Box on Wheels Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 1:56 am Post subject: Re: The Adventures of a 1958 Palm Green/Sand Green (PGSG) Westfalia |
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Finally got my Certificate of Authenticity back from Germany. Definitely not a Canadian Bus like most have thought. My PGSG Westfalia was delivered new to the VW Distributor in Chicago on May 7th 1958. I am guessing that M-code M375 makes it a factory Westfalia camper kit. Is that correct?
I wonder what dealership it was delivered to when new? It’s possible that it was delivered new to one of the dealerships in North Dakota seeing that there is a “Volkswagen” water decal on the rear above the engine lid. If only this old Bus could talk???
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64 Türkis SO-35 Flip seat Westfalia
66 Pearl White SO-42 Pop-Top Westfalia
67 Titian Red SO-42 Pop-Top walk-thru Westfalia
64 Safari Beige Sunroof Notchback
97 993 S Coupe
97 993 Cabriolet
04 996 C4S Coupe
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adriano Samba Member
Joined: March 14, 2008 Posts: 146 Location: Iseo Lake
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:07 am Post subject: Re: The Adventures of a 1958 Palm Green/Sand Green (PGSG) Westfalia |
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Maybe I'm wrong but I have never seen a 231 (kombi) in PGSG. Is this the reason of M544? |
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Box on Wheels Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 2:24 am Post subject: Re: The Adventures of a 1958 Palm Green/Sand Green (PGSG) Westfalia |
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adriano wrote: |
Maybe I'm wrong but I have never seen a 231 (kombi) in PGSG. Is this the reason of M544? |
It does make sense seeing that this is a factory Westfalia. They wouldn’t want to order a 221 Microbus model and have to remove the middle seat, rear seat, and Standard Microbus interior trim at Westfalia. They would’ve been better off with a stripped down Kombi being sent to Westfalia Werks. _________________ 58 PGSG Westfalia
64 Türkis SO-35 Flip seat Westfalia
66 Pearl White SO-42 Pop-Top Westfalia
67 Titian Red SO-42 Pop-Top walk-thru Westfalia
64 Safari Beige Sunroof Notchback
97 993 S Coupe
97 993 Cabriolet
04 996 C4S Coupe
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earlywesty Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 2358 Location: In the woods, Ontario
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Posted: Mon Feb 28, 2022 5:27 am Post subject: Re: The Adventures of a 1958 Palm Green/Sand Green (PGSG) Westfalia |
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Box on Wheels wrote: |
adriano wrote: |
Maybe I'm wrong but I have never seen a 231 (kombi) in PGSG. Is this the reason of M544? |
It does make sense seeing that this is a factory Westfalia. They wouldn’t want to order a 221 Microbus model and have to remove the middle seat, rear seat, and Standard Microbus interior trim at Westfalia. They would’ve been better off with a stripped down Kombi being sent to Westfalia Werks. |
Westfalias were based on kombis, but pgsg is a microbus colour. So that 544 denotes a kombi painted pgsg which mostly likely means it was headed to westfalia. The 375 is a standard north american option package with popouts and safaris.. |
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Box on Wheels Samba Member
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Posted: Mon May 16, 2022 11:38 am Post subject: Re: The Adventures of a 1958 Palm Green/Sand Green (PGSG) Westfalia |
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Decided to cut open the rear seat cushions that came with the Westy. Underneath was much older Green quality material with nicely done stitching. I wonder if this is the original material for this Bus? The Wedge pillows are there also. The foam inserts have turned to dust. Thoughts???
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64 Türkis SO-35 Flip seat Westfalia
66 Pearl White SO-42 Pop-Top Westfalia
67 Titian Red SO-42 Pop-Top walk-thru Westfalia
64 Safari Beige Sunroof Notchback
97 993 S Coupe
97 993 Cabriolet
04 996 C4S Coupe
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earlywesty Samba Member
Joined: May 03, 2004 Posts: 2358 Location: In the woods, Ontario
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2022 4:10 am Post subject: Re: The Adventures of a 1958 Palm Green/Sand Green (PGSG) Westfalia |
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I think the cushions and curtains are original to the bus. The stitching and installation look factory westfalia. I expect there will be naysayers however I am positive I have seen both of those patterns in the past, and I really only geek out on early westy stuff. I personally would preserve/re-use the cushion material and look at options for re-creating the curtains. |
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ddutch Samba Member
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Posted: Tue May 17, 2022 8:07 am Post subject: Re: The Adventures of a 1958 Palm Green/Sand Green (PGSG) Westfalia |
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What a nice bus, congratualtions! I love the colours, it's orginality and all the Westfalia parts that are still there. Amazing that the body is still looking this good after being outside for decades.
And yes, it would be very nice to see what a good CLR treatment and a careful polish would do for the original paint! |
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