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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 6:59 pm    Post subject: VWs on Fire on ship Reply with quote

VW's and Porsches:

https://www.cnn.com/2022/02/17/tech/ship-fire-luxury-cars/index.html
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:00 pm    Post subject: Re: VW Fires Reply with quote

Are there any vanagons on it?
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:11 pm    Post subject: Re: VW Fires Reply with quote

Bet they didn’t change their fuel lines.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:40 pm    Post subject: Re: VW Fires Reply with quote

If only they had blazecut on their engine bay hatch!

This definitely is a more off topic appropriate thread.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 7:52 pm    Post subject: Re: VW Fires Reply with quote

Riding quite high in the water. I guess automobiles are mostly air after all.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:04 pm    Post subject: Re: VW Fires Reply with quote

New electic vw's and porsches? Interesting to find out the cause.
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 17, 2022 9:47 pm    Post subject: Re: VW Fires Reply with quote

0cean wrote:
New electic vw's and porsches? Interesting to find out the cause.


Batteries?
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 2:50 am    Post subject: Re: VW Fires Reply with quote

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New electic vw's and porsches? Interesting to find out the cause.


Batteries?


My first thought. Especially since it started in the cargo hold. There are alot of cases of lithiom ion batterys catching fire. Even with today's tech. Added the manufactures are not as far ahead of the curve as testla, well it's a good hunch I think. Guess we will know later after the investigation.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 10:18 am    Post subject: Re: VWs on Fire on ship Reply with quote

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There are alot of cases of lithiom ion batterys catching fire.

I see people saying this but have also seen it said that it's BS paid for and posted by oil company people.

I'd want to see actual data.

Everything thing I've read in the past says it's a possibility in a crash where they are exposed to high temperatures or a failure of the cooling, which doesn't match up with boat transport.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 10:38 am    Post subject: Re: VWs on Fire on ship Reply with quote

Damn fuel filter in engine bay strikes again
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:01 am    Post subject: Re: VWs on Fire on ship Reply with quote

Yea, my recently purchased '91 syncro could have made those highlights - 80 yo German woman I purchased from had a few, let's say, deferred maintenance things attached to the van. Including a mist of fuel in the engine compartment. Yikes! All fuel lines getting replaced. Whew.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:25 am    Post subject: Re: VWs on Fire on ship Reply with quote

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There are alot of cases of lithiom ion batterys catching fire.

I see people saying this but have also seen it said that it's BS paid for and posted by oil company people.

I'd want to see actual data.

Everything thing I've read in the past says it's a possibility in a crash where they are exposed to high temperatures or a failure of the cooling, which doesn't match up with boat transport.



Yet, couldn’t this be misinformation spread by people with an agenda of their own?


Batteries don’t play well with salt water…
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 11:29 am    Post subject: Re: VWs on Fire on ship Reply with quote

baz76 wrote:
Damn fuel filter in engine bay strikes again


This was my first thought! Glad to see someone else wrote it. Thanks baz!
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 12:59 pm    Post subject: Re: VWs on Fire on ship Reply with quote

I personally witnessed a model airplane lithium battery self destruct. Very very impressive indeed! It normally happens when they are being pushed hard either in charge or discharge. Some people say they will spontaneously combust too on their own but I have not seen that.
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PostPosted: Fri Feb 18, 2022 1:34 pm    Post subject: Re: VWs on Fire on ship Reply with quote

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Batteries don’t play well with salt water…


Nor do internal combustion engines. Or so I've heard.

I doubt a company shipping luxury and high-end sports cars lets them get wet in transit though. Confused They don't just strap them to the deck and hope. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 4:02 am    Post subject: Re: VWs on Fire on ship Reply with quote

whatever started it, seems like batteries are on fire now...
BERLIN/LISBON, Feb 18 (Reuters) - A ship carrying around 4,000 vehicles, including Porsches, Audis and Bentleys, that caught fire near the coast of the Azores will be towed to another European country or the Bahamas, the captain of the nearest port told Reuters on Friday.

Lithium-ion batteries in the electric cars on board the vehicle carrier Felicity Ace have caught fire and the blaze requires specialist equipment to extinguish, captain Joao Mendes Cabecas of the port of Hortas said.

It was not clear whether the batteries first sparked the fire.

"The ship is burning from one end to the other... everything is on fire about five metres above the water line," Cabecas said.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 5:22 am    Post subject: Re: VWs on Fire on ship Reply with quote

I read a story once where the sailors under estimated the weight of a loaded pickup truck and did not use strong enough tie downs. On some extra rough seas it broke loose, and started hitting the cars in front and behind until they broke loose. This continued until all the cars on that deck where loose!

By the way back in the early '70s when my brother worked at a VW dealer, all the cars shipped from Germany were sprayed with a heavy coat of wax to protect them from the salt water mist on the way over here. It was his job to wash them off with varsol. He would come home with his hands red and bleeding every night! After 6 months of that he quit!
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 7:34 am    Post subject: Re: VWs on Fire on ship Reply with quote

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By the way back in the early '70s when my brother worked at a VW dealer, all the cars shipped from Germany were sprayed with a heavy coat of wax to protect them from the salt water mist on the way over here. It was his job to wash them off with varsol. He would come home with his hands red and bleeding every night! After 6 months of that he quit!

That matches the explanation, by the original owner, for some of the paint loss on our '66 Beetle. It was brought over from Germany in 1969 as a used car without the benefit of wax/Cosmoline.
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:05 am    Post subject: Re: VWs on Fire on ship Reply with quote

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There are alot of cases of lithiom ion batterys catching fire.

I see people saying this but have also seen it said that it's BS paid for and posted by oil company people.

I'd want to see actual data.

Everything thing I've read in the past says it's a possibility in a crash where they are exposed to high temperatures or a failure of the cooling, which doesn't match up with boat transport.


These are the same folks who are keeping they myth alive that batteries are so expensive. Do some research you’ll find the batteries last the life of the car and in most cases are serviceable. The technology is 30 plus years old now but the masses remain ignorant and that’s by design. 😜
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PostPosted: Sat Feb 19, 2022 8:48 am    Post subject: Re: VWs on Fire on ship Reply with quote

This is what the research tells me.

It seems Tesla is not at the “life of the car” stage yet. Battery warranty is a constant 8 years across all models but the mileage varies between 100K and 150K miles. That would be consistent with my experience with model airplane batteries. They time out rather than fail with the number of cycles.

Also the cost is between $20,000 and $35,000 depending on model.
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