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PostPosted: Fri Jul 08, 2022 11:56 pm    Post subject: 1300 sputters after partial fill up Reply with quote

I'm here in the Philippines, driving my 75 Brazil 1300 for the first time (bought in April and had it driven in May to the island) and added 5 liters cuz fuel guage is not working. As soon as I drove away from fuel station started sputter under power. I could push the clutch in and rev it no problem, limped it home.

So do I need to drain the fuel tank, or is there an additive I can add? I'm gonna replace fuel filter just cuz. Previous owner used only shell gas, I used some name i never heard of.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 2:51 pm    Post subject: Re: 1300 sputters after partial fill up Reply with quote

Try draining the carb into a small glass jar and see if there is water contamination.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: 1300 sputters after partial fill up Reply with quote

Eric&Barb wrote:
Try draining the carb into a small glass jar and see if there is water contamination.


Thanks... ill start with filter and carb, I dread draining the tank.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re: 1300 sputters after partial fill up Reply with quote

TequilaSunSet wrote:
Eric&Barb wrote:
Try draining the carb into a small glass jar and see if there is water contamination.


Thanks... ill start with filter and carb, I dread draining the tank.


Glad to help! If the tank is clean other than water, you should not need to drain it. Just let the water get to the carb and pull the side plug to drain the water out. Might have to repeat a couple of times to work it out, so do some quieter street driving where there are places you can pull over and park.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 09, 2022 11:21 pm    Post subject: Re: 1300 sputters after partial fill up Reply with quote

In my experience, the only time I had an INSTANT change in how the car ran after filling up with fuel was due to vapor lock, which happens from the heat of the engine "soaking"into the fuel pump while it's shut off at the gas station. The fuel itself is going to be the same right off the bat when you start up, you have the fuel in the carb, the fuel pump and the line from the tank, so you should not notice an instant change in running.

But heat-soak-vapor lock, that became so predictable for me in my 62 Beetle, that I would intentionally leave gas stations onto side roads or other parking lots expecting the engine to die. Sometimes I could overcome it by going hog-wild pumping the gas pedal trying to get whatever I could out of the accelerator pump. If that failed, I would game the system, I would open the hood, pull the vent line from the tank, blow into it, plug it off with a golf tee or other such and with the tank pressurized it would break the vapor lock. Then remove that from the vent hose and go on my way. The fuel pump generally stays cool enough to avoid vapor lock, from the fuel flowing through it at most times.

Having said that I have had a couple of instances of contaminated fuel over the years. Both times, I mostly noticed it as how the engine sounded while I was driving on the highway. I noticed a shift in power and knocking, and I think both times there must have been diesel mixed in with the gasoline, because both times the problem went away after I refilled the tank. But I did not notice the difference "instantly" after fueling up.

Oh wait a minute... when I hear of Brazil cars, I have to wonder if you have an engine designed for high-alcohol fuel. Or "ALCOOL"
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 10:55 am    Post subject: Re: 1300 sputters after partial fill up Reply with quote

Favorite rat rod fuel hack:

If you ride around with a bunch of crap on the roof rack anyway, add a motorcycle tank to the pile. I have an old King Sportster tank that sees use all the time as a bypass tank for vehicles with stale gas.

Spare tank can be used gravity fed straight to the carb bypassing the fuel pump or gravity fed to the fuel pump.

TequilaSunSet wrote:
As soon as I drove away from fuel station started sputter under power. I could push the clutch in and rev it no problem, limped it home.


It seems it was getting something in Brazil it might not be getting in the Phillipines. Some Brazilian VWs have crazy high compression and big jets to handle alcohol.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 10, 2022 4:43 pm    Post subject: Re: 1300 sputters after partial fill up Reply with quote

glutamodo wrote:
In my experience, the only time I had an INSTANT change in how the car ran after filling up with fuel was due to vapor lock, which happens from the heat of the engine "soaking"into the fuel pump while it's shut off at the gas station. The fuel itself is going to be the same right off the bat when you start up, you have the fuel in the carb, the fuel pump and the line from the tank, so you should not notice an instant change in running.

But heat-soak-vapor lock, that became so predictable for me in my 62 Beetle, that I would intentionally leave gas stations onto side roads or other parking lots expecting the engine to die. Sometimes I could overcome it by going hog-wild pumping the gas pedal trying to get whatever I could out of the accelerator pump. If that failed, I would game the system, I would open the hood, pull the vent line from the tank, blow into it, plug it off with a golf tee or other such and with the tank pressurized it would break the vapor lock. Then remove that from the vent hose and go on my way. The fuel pump generally stays cool enough to avoid vapor lock, from the fuel flowing through it at most times.

Having said that I have had a couple of instances of contaminated fuel over the years. Both times, I mostly noticed it as how the engine sounded while I was driving on the highway. I noticed a shift in power and knocking, and I think both times there must have been diesel mixed in with the gasoline, because both times the problem went away after I refilled the tank. But I did not notice the difference "instantly" after fueling up.

Oh wait a minute... when I hear of Brazil cars, I have to wonder if you have an engine designed for high-alcohol fuel. Or "ALCOOL"



Dusty1 wrote:
Favorite rat rod fuel hack:

If you ride around with a bunch of crap on the roof rack anyway, add a motorcycle tank to the pile. I have an old King Sportster tank that sees use all the time as a bypass tank for vehicles with stale gas.

Spare tank can be used gravity fed straight to the carb bypassing the fuel pump or gravity fed to the fuel pump.

TequilaSunSet wrote:
As soon as I drove away from fuel station started sputter under power. I could push the clutch in and rev it no problem, limped it home.


It seems it was getting something in Brazil it might not be getting in the Phillipines. Some Brazilian VWs have crazy high compression and big jets to handle alcohol.

.
.



Good info gents, thanks much. In regard th. Brazil the bug has been on the islands for years. PO used Shell... I'm gonna too, its 99 peso per liter yikes

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