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topnotch
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 Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:06 pm Post subject: Engle 110 in a bus |
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Hi,
I’ve just picked up a new 71 bus with a tired engine. I have a 1600 engine though which I built not too long ago for our beetle.
It’s got some ported stock heads, compression 8.8 - but an Engle 110 cam
Will the Engle 110 be too much for the bus and lose the bottom end? I could rebuild it with the stock cam I still have hanging around but don’t really have too much time on my hands unfortunately!
Thanks mike |
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b-man
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:10 pm Post subject: Re: Engle 110 in a bus |
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Replace the cam.
You won’t like the Engle 110 in a 1600 bus engine, especially so in a somewhat heavy ‘71 bay window bus.
Or try it and find out, but I think you’ll be pulling the engine to replace it later anyway.
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94touring
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:16 pm Post subject: Re: Engle 110 in a bus |
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| Plugging it into dub dyno for a rough estimate doesn't look too great. An engle 100 looks good however. |
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topnotch
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: Engle 110 in a bus |
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Yep - I think you’re right , the 110 will prob be too much. I was thinking about a 100 cam - will prob look at swapping one in, might machine it out for 90.5 barrels while I’m there.
Just got to find the time ! |
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b-man
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2022 1:48 pm Post subject: Re: Engle 110 in a bus |
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W90 for a 1600, W100 for a 1776 would be my advice.
There are other nice cams you could use too but availability is an issue.
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Alstrup
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2022 2:19 pm Post subject: Re: Engle 110 in a bus |
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Depends on the bus, - and the engine configuration.
If the bus still has its 3 rib transmission, and you use a programmable distributor on it and say a SS 143 muffler on it,- and get it dialed in properly ,it can work just fine.
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topnotch
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| Posted: Sun Sep 25, 2022 2:30 pm Post subject: Re: Engle 110 in a bus |
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It’s got the original 3 rib transmission so that’ll help 👍
No programmable dizzy although I might be persuaded if it’d help it work with the 110? |
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madmike
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:11 am Post subject: Re: Engle 110 in a bus |
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Double post 
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madmike
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:12 am Post subject: Re: Engle 110 in a bus |
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I had a w110 in a 70 Bus , Dual 40 IDF's 1600cc Bosch 034 Distributor ,it ran Great!!! 
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topnotch
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| Posted: Mon Sep 26, 2022 4:47 am Post subject: Re: Engle 110 in a bus |
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do you know - i think i'm just going to throw it in and see how it goes for the min. aswell at the 110, its got 40 idfs and stock ported heads which should help get the gases moving quickly. stock transmission shoudl help aswell
havent got the time (or money) at the mo to start splitting cases and rebuilding engines. its an earlybay, so easy enough to take back out if necessary! |
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jbbugs
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:51 am Post subject: Re: Engle 110 in a bus |
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I ran a 110 in a 2017cc w/40 webers, with a 412 Irs trans in 58’ Panel.
It was a blast to drive. I ran it for 22 years w/o any issues.
Very smooth and drivable.
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k@rlos
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:17 am Post subject: Re: Engle 110 in a bus |
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| A 110 is great in a bus, providing the rest of the combo matches of course. |
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k@rlos
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 5:18 am Post subject: Re: Engle 110 in a bus |
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| A 110 is great in a bus, providing the rest of the combo matches of course. |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 8:03 am Post subject: Re: Engle 110 in a bus |
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| jbbugs wrote: |
I ran a 110 in a 2017cc w/40 webers, with a 412 Irs trans in 58’ Panel.
It was a blast to drive. I ran it for 22 years w/o any issues.
Very smooth and drivable. |
w110 in a 2017 is a totally different animal than a w110 in a 1600.
of course any engine will run with pretty much any cam 
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 11:52 am Post subject: Re: Engle 110 in a bus |
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| sled wrote: |
of course any engine will run with pretty much any cam |
My 1600 with a W110 ran like a dog below 60MPH. I didn't know it had that cam in it though and it was strangled with stock single-carb induction, stock exhaust and stock rockers.
I wasted ages and a load of cash trying to fix the hard starting, lumpy idle and dead spots before I finally tore it apart (the bearings were shot) and found that cam in there.
The W110 went in the scrap, replaced with a NOS stock cam. It fires straight up with a flick of the key and idles smoothly now. I still have a problem with it bogging after the choke comes off until it's properly warmed up, but I'll take that over the old problems.
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topnotch
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Engle 110 in a bus |
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To be fair the same engine I have with the 110 in it, I tried to get running in our beetle with a stock solex 34 pict carb and stock exhaust.
I finally got it to run ok (ish) by boring the carbs Venturi out from 26 to 28mm.
I’ve also have to rejet it aswell - it’s been an absolute pig to get it running and idling and it’s still lumpy at tickover. It goes pretty well once off idle though, but I think it’ll run much better when I get those idfs on it and a bette exhaust. |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 2:28 pm Post subject: Re: Engle 110 in a bus |
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I’ve also have to rejet it aswell - it’s been an absolute pig to get it running and idling and it’s still lumpy at tickover. It goes pretty well once off idle though, but I think it’ll run much better when I get those idfs on it and a bette exhaust. |
That is just about a must. And ditto with the ignition. Especially in such situations a 009/010/019 just don´t cut it.
The choice of carbs (and set up), exhaust and ignition can make the difference between a liveable solution and a solution that can work well.
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topnotch
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 3:35 pm Post subject: Re: Engle 110 in a bus |
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| What sort of ignition would you run? I was going to run a 009 on there with electronic ignition? (No vac port on the Weber’s) |
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| Posted: Tue Sep 27, 2022 4:50 pm Post subject: Re: Engle 110 in a bus |
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A E110 can be ok in a bus if everything else matches but id go with a torque cam C25 etc in a bus exspecially with a 1600.
I wouldnt use a 09 in about everything been down that road,a oem german 034svda is way to go,if ya can find one .
Im not saying theres no use for a 09
but try a 09 then try a 034svda in the same engine 😊,id drill or have somone that knows where to drill the carb on no4 cylinder for a vaccum port before id use a 09,unless its a race engine.
A 034svda ya have 2 advances,1 mechanical like a 09 and 1 vaccuum best of both. |
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