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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:42 pm    Post subject: ICON VW pistons Reply with quote

Hi guys,

I've been working on this for a while , but I am happy to finally announce that we now have some new options for performance VW pistons. I work for United Engine and Machine who makes ICON, KB, Silvo-lite and Dualoy pistons and I am pretty passionate about our hobby and have found myself in a unique spot to try and offer a Forged Piston to others that I would use myself.

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IC10069 - 94mm "A" Comp height
IC10070 - 94mm "B" Comp height
IC10071 - 92mm "A" Comp height
IC10072 - 92mm "B" Comp height

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-Forged 4032 Alloy, Higher silicon content allows tighter piston to wall clearance than a 2618 forging. piston slap is greatly reduced on cold startups.
-Anodized Crown and first ring groove to prevent ring micro welding and abrasion protection with an added benefit of acting like a thermal barrier
-1.5, 1.5, 4.0mm ring pack. We wanted to use a ring pack that would stand up to boosted applications but also be easily sourced should the customer want to go with a total seal ring down the line.
- Full round design provides strength where it counts giving rigidity to the skirt where it is needed.
-Double broach and forced pin oilers, keeping that pin lubricated is critical in a floating pin application.
-M42 skirt coating protects against dry starts giving abrasion protection on engine start.

If you have any questions please feel free to ask. Thanks guys.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2023 3:55 pm    Post subject: Re: ICON VW pistons Reply with quote

Looks nice, glad we have what looks like a quality product.

We need more things like this.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2023 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: ICON VW pistons Reply with quote

Very cool!

Are you including piston pins with them?

I will take a set of the 94B's.

You hit the major sizes, but what about a 94C height? I have been hoping for a more affordable 94c to make the 86mm crank and 5.7" rod engines super easy and stock width.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2023 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: ICON VW pistons Reply with quote

Brian,
These will be sold in kits only. Pistons, Pins, Locks (ROUND WIRE) and Rings. I want to offer "C's" in the near future for both bores, I want to do 90.5's also its going to be a matter of getting these out there to justify the additional sizes and compression heights.

Shoot me a line through PM and I can give you pricing. Or you Can reach me directly at UEM 1-800-648-7970, Just ask for Trevor.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2023 4:46 pm    Post subject: Re: ICON VW pistons Reply with quote

What are the choices other than AA for purchasing 92tw barrels to match up to these ICON pistons?

Thanks
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:21 pm    Post subject: Re: ICON VW pistons Reply with quote

AWESOME
That to me looks like a VERY good piston
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:46 pm    Post subject: Re: ICON VW pistons Reply with quote

I like the width in-between the bosses, but that top land is awfully thick and the piston looks heavy. The latter hurts more than it helps. We need more ~350g bare pistons to help reduce crank flex.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2023 8:50 pm    Post subject: Re: ICON VW pistons Reply with quote

If it's too thick you can trim some off, far easier than welding it back on. Razz
The pin looks short, that will help save weight. Can't please everybody.

Looks like a cummins B piston back there too
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2023 10:45 pm    Post subject: Re: ICON VW pistons Reply with quote

A cheaper piston isn’t going to have .010” ramping to remove material. It increases machine time by multiples. You can’t get a cheap piston made correctly that’s got everything done. . I imagine they are made from an existing forging or I’d never consider having new tooling made just for vws. I’d never consider it. Be happy someone is. The amount of time and money it takes to produce a new forged, machined part isn’t cheap.
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 10, 2023 11:48 pm    Post subject: Re: ICON VW pistons Reply with quote

YEAH!! Very Happy

Great to see top quality stuff coming out. Cool
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 6:07 am    Post subject: Re: ICON VW pistons Reply with quote

Are the pins offset? Seeing the arrow on top makes me think yes they are offset. How much they weigh would be nice to know also. Great to see someone is doing a 4032 piston. I am interested in a set for the Berg GBF crank carrillo rod 2387cc engine I am collecting parts for. Already have crank, rods and 94mm revmaster long cylinders.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 11, 2023 9:11 am    Post subject: Re: ICON VW pistons Reply with quote

DerrickfromNC1 wrote:
What are the choices other than AA for purchasing 92tw barrels to match up to these ICON pistons?

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Currently AA is your best option for the barrels, but I am working on procuring barrels for both the 94's and the 92's with someone I work with on the regular who has Higher standards for barrels hardness and material. The key will be selling the boss man on this.

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If it's too thick you can trim some off, far easier than welding it back on. Razz
The pin looks short, that will help save weight. Can't please everybody.

Looks like a cummins B piston back there too
Pin is 2.500 long , .160 wall thickness. weighs 113 grams . if someone really wanted to be a weight weanie (joking) Laughing you can find 2.5" chamfered end pins with a .120 wall closer to 90 gram mark. If I remember right Trend has one that is right around 85 grams. Yeah that cummins 5.9 piston is 7198D from our Dualoy line.... Fun fact, the Alfin bonded ring was Pioneered by United Engine and Machine...We did it first and for many years were THE standard for Heavy Duty Iron first groove pistons. Wink

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A cheaper piston isn’t going to have .010” ramping to remove material. It increases machine time by multiples. You can’t get a cheap piston made correctly that’s got everything done. . I imagine they are made from an existing forging or I’d never consider having new tooling made just for vws. I’d never consider it. Be happy someone is. The amount of time and money it takes to produce a new forged, machined part isn’t cheap.


Ebel You sir are correct. The head mill process does add more time to the machining ... but in this case we are talking maybe 3 minutes per piston not enough to drastically alter the cost of the piston. In the future we are looking at changing the core to the forging die to hopefully eliminate that process.

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Are the pins offset? Seeing the arrow on top makes me think yes they are offset. How much they weigh would be nice to know also. Great to see someone is doing a 4032 piston. I am interested in a set for the Berg GBF crank carrillo rod 2387cc engine I am collecting parts for. Already have crank, rods and 94mm revmaster long cylinders.

Dan
Dan , the 94B's are right around the 385 gram mark with a pin weight of 113. they are offset pin for quieter operation like the factory piston. Shoot me a line I would be happy to quote ya. 1-800-648-7970 extension 114
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:12 pm    Post subject: Re: ICON VW pistons Reply with quote

How do these compare in price and make up to the Wiseco offerings? I certainly like what I see and look forward to getting my hands on some.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 2:29 pm    Post subject: Re: ICON VW pistons Reply with quote

When you say the pin locks are ‘round wire’..?
Those are like stock?
Snap rings like type 4s have - A.k.a. Tru-arc?

Spiro-locks hold tight,
But my growling when trying to remove them scares my dog…!
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 3:18 pm    Post subject: Re: ICON VW pistons Reply with quote

c77owen wrote:
How do these compare in price and make up to the Wiseco offerings? I certainly like what I see and look forward to getting my hands on some.


Owen, I'm not allowed to discuss price on the thread, but shoot me a line at the shop and i can quote you direct , its competitve. the Wiseco piston is a 2618 piston , as such it requires more clearance due to the expansion properties of 2618. the 4032 our piston is requires less clearance which is going to be better for folks who want a streetable race piston that doesn't slap the skirts like a 2618 does when cold.

Clatter, When i say Round wire , yes like stock , but tang-less, super easy to get in. Same ones I am using on my Customs I just built. On the spiro's i hear ya... they are a fantastic lock, the key is getting in under the little cut on the end of the ring.
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PostPosted: Thu Jan 12, 2023 3:49 pm    Post subject: Re: ICON VW pistons Reply with quote

The Mahle Motorsport forged coated pistons use the same/similar round wire locks and I quite like them. Those pistons are 2618, and they are set up in my engine with .0048" clearance. They are audible at idle when cold. Nothing scary, but you can definitely hear it. (I'm set up on the loose end even though I'm N/A because it's an off-road car that bounces through water and such and is generally a candidate for thermal shock situations.)

I probably speak for a few people when I say the 4032 availability in 92mm and 94mm sizes is a welcome addition for hi-po street builds. Likely this will be my choice when my 1835 mexi efi engine gets boosted. I remember ACTIVELY looking for a 4032 offering for my last build and then saying "Huh. Oh well. 2618 it is!"

I give you the coveted dual thumbs up award for innovation and quality in VW aftermarket. 👍👍

On those Mahles in my engine I ran a soft 280 grit Sunnen rigid hone for size and then flipped the hone through the cylinder the other way to knock the Rp down on the finish. I have KILLER ring seal. Any different tips for your ring package in cast iron barrels?
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 14, 2023 9:25 am    Post subject: Re: ICON VW pistons Reply with quote

Nice. I ordered a set of Icon pistons 92mm for a 22R Toyota .25 over. Had a set of AA thick wall 92 cylinders bored out. Toyota pistons have a 29.64mm pin height. With an 84mm crank and 5.5 connecting rod, it makes a damn near stock width motor.
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 8:23 am    Post subject: Re: ICON VW pistons Reply with quote

dubman67 wrote:
Nice. I ordered a set of Icon pistons 92mm for a 22R Toyota .25 over. Had a set of AA thick wall 92 cylinders bored out. Toyota pistons have a 29.64mm pin height. With an 84mm crank and 5.5 connecting rod, it makes a damn near stock width motor.


Yeah I remember reading about you doing that. Very cool Cool
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 10:35 am    Post subject: Re: ICON VW pistons Reply with quote

Yes a C piston will be good. I running a 90mm x94mm and 5.88 rods and a C would be good
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PostPosted: Mon Jan 16, 2023 1:06 pm    Post subject: Re: ICON VW pistons Reply with quote

Bought a set 94b's from Trevor.
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