Bay Window Sunroof and headliner restoration

[KChallener]

I am restoring a 1976 Bay Window with sunroof. I took out the old headliner and there was a piece of trim around the opening - beading? It makes a cover on the sharp edge of the opening and captures the edge of headliner. Anyone I know where I can get this piece?

[SGKent]

are you referring to the hard foam that covered the winding mechanism? If so not that I know of. Part #22 in this image from JerseyLooker? All the ones I ever saw were pretty rotted from the sun.

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[W1K1]

is it one of these?

https://www.mcmaster.com/edge-trim/
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[KChallener]

It is white/ish in color, like the headliner. It is NOT on the diagram. It is the same beading that is along the doors, but in a long strip. U shaped, clips over the sharp metal edge of the sunroof opening. It is similar to the pieces shown at McMaster

[SGKent]

[busdaddy]

I can't recall finding any beading or trim under the headliner vinyl on any of the sunroof buses I've dealt with, I can see where it may have been useful though, the vinyl get's torn quite easily on that edge.

Maybe a PO replaced the headliner and added something?, perhaps the trim from a camper roof opening? https://www.wolfsburgwest.com/cart/DetailsList.cfm?ID=231068001A
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[KChallener]

Perhaps, that certainly looks like the piece. I save the old one, but it seems quite old. All of the interior parts still have a faint "VW" logo on the, the headliner is extraordinarily brittle, the corner trim is original with headliner glued....I like the camper idea. Anyone sell new rear corner panels? Bus Depot had them listed buy NLA

[KChallener]

Newest problem: The cover plate that sits over the drive mechanism for the sunroof (center piece) is broken in several pieces. Anybody making an aftermarket? I see the corners and straight section, but not the center???

[busdaddy]

https://vwispwest.com/type-1-sunroof-guide-trim-kit-117877365ay/ , the middle part is the same as bug and type 3, IIRC the corner sections are shorter but a crafty person might extend them using parts of your old ones (been a couple years since I worked on a sunroof, memory is fading).
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[SGKent]

Pretty sure EIS makes al the sunroof parts that others sell.
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[busdaddy]

Ya, no doubt they all come from one source, thinking about it further the corners and center are the same, but the bus has a bonus straight section on the right the narrower bug and type 3 doesn't use.

And the crank gear mechanisms are different for bus even though they look the same and fit the hole, the internal timing gears to limit travel stop too short for the bus roof to go all the way back.
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[KChallener]

Thank you so much for your knowledge and help. It looks like the bugs have a metal piece under the plastic - was that true for the bus also (not present on mine)? Does the bus roof go all the way back or is the travel limited? Mine opens about 3/4 and I am wondering if that is normal or the gear drive was replaced along the way incorrectly? One more - there are small plastic clips that fit into the metal at the front of the sunroof that the screws from the covers go into. They are oval in shape and fit in from the bottom. Two are stripped, several are missing altogether.

Thanks for all the help. I'll post pictures as it goes. Fixing holes and sanding rust now.

[busdaddy]

There should be a metal [ shaped thing that goes over the gear before the plastic, it keeps the cables engaged with the gear.
The roof should roll almost all the way back, sounds like you have the wrong gear, or the timing isn't set up correctly.

The plastic clips may be something you find at your FLAPS in the universal trim clip department.
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[SGKent]

the plastic clips are NLA.

241-877-381 Expansion pin was the original part number and description. I contacted one place in Europe a month ago who shows them but they are NLA.

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[busdaddy]

Sounds like a job for 3D printers: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=609153&highlight=what+to+print
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[SGKent]

might be able to jam some small hose that is slit a little ways down into the slot and the screws might bite it enough to hold.

Or dremel one of these until it fits.

https://www.amazon.com/Rexka-90189-06193-90189-062...&psc=1
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[KChallener]

Can someone tell me where the rear sunroof drains empty on a 1976 bay? My bus has four drains. The front two were both clogged and I want to open the rear ones before I put the new headliner in?
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[germansupplyscott]

There should be a hole in the outer rocker just above the rear jack point. In the photo the fitting at the bottom is missing. Seems to me that not all Buses have the rubber fitting at the bottom, like it might only have been on early Bay Bus.

(gallery photos)

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[busdaddy]

Didn't some have 3 sets of drains?, or did the rear drain move forward when the ass end changed to fit the type 4? (I've never had a later sunroof bus myself).

Rear drain tube visible in the background along the outer edge of the fenderwell going through battery tray in the pic of a 70 below:

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[SGKent]

My 78 has the "drain valves" upfront behind the front wheels, and tubes that drain into the air vent area. I don't recall what the 1971 had. VW calls the drains "valves.' I bought a set from VAG about 2009 and at that time they only had 4 or so left in their inventory.
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