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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:34 pm    Post subject: Beetle doesn’t run very well Reply with quote

Just bought it. Got it running. Addressed vacuum leaks and it ran better but not great.

Just did a compression test on cylinders one and two

1) 40 psi
2) 110 psi
3) 100 psi
4) 110 psi

What to do from here? Rebuild? Or check valves?

edit: remaining cylinder compression


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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well Reply with quote

459032 wrote:

Just did a compression test on cylinders one and two

1) 40 psi
2) 110 psi

What to do from here? Rebuild? Or check valves?


FOR SURE: adjust the valves to 0.006" when stone cold.
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PostPosted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well Reply with quote

Where do you recommend getting rebuild parts or kits?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:39 am    Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well Reply with quote

If you take Cusser's advice, which I personally think you should, you don't need any type of rebuild kit. Only thing you should get would be valve cover gaskets. Cip1, Wolfsburg West or any other VW parts supplier will have them. The link to the thread below is in the stickies. Some of the information may be a little old but there are tons of threads on here about parts suppliers.

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=523195
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:21 am    Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well Reply with quote

May be a Valve sticking.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:43 am    Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well Reply with quote

Cusser wrote:
459032 wrote:

Just did a compression test on cylinders one and two

1) 40 psi
2) 110 psi

What to do from here? Rebuild? Or check valves?


FOR SURE: adjust the valves to 0.006" when stone cold.


After valve re-adjustment, re-do compression test.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:28 pm    Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well Reply with quote

Assuming it’s a sticky valve, how is that fixed? Is that fixed either the valve adjustment?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well Reply with quote

Took off the valve cover. One of the rocker arms is not seated on the push rod.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well Reply with quote

459032 wrote:
Took off the valve cover. One of the rocker arms is not seated on the push rod.


That will affect compression and performance !!!
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:03 pm    Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well Reply with quote

Do I just pop it back in? Why would the rocker arm come off the push rod?
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well Reply with quote

Bent push rod maybe. Loose valve adjustment.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well Reply with quote

Push rod was a little bent. I straightened it and now this car runs great! Y’all are awesome!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:20 am    Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well Reply with quote

Source outa replace stockpushrod as it may even bend again.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:45 am    Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well Reply with quote

gt1953 wrote:
Source outa replace stockpushrod as it may even bend again.


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Push rod was a little bent. I straightened it and now this car runs great! Y’all are awesome!


Replace that "straightened" pushrod or risk consequences !!! It bent for a reason, and "straightened" won't stay straight !!!
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:39 pm    Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well Reply with quote

Will do. Are all 1600’s or type 1’s the same length push rod?

A couple more questions:

Cold it’s hard to start. Hitting the throttle causes it to stumble. When warm starts right up and runs pretty good. A little bit of a shake cause by misfire

High idle. I advanced the timing which causes a high idle.

My plan is to re adjust valves and do a general tune up.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well Reply with quote

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Will do. Are all 1600’s or type 1’s the same length push rod?


No, not all Type 1 use same - they've been making Type 1 for sale since 1946 !! Their early 1100cc and 1200cc engines were quite different !!!

All 1600cc engines for the US had same pushrods, and 1500cc were the same ones as well.

No one here will yell if you just buy a single new push rod.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 3:01 pm    Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well Reply with quote

I’m also in hot AZ. Where do you recommend getting a push rod
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:11 pm    Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well Reply with quote

Howdy ...

Congrats on fixing vacuum leaks & getting it to run.
Now focus on getting it to run as best as it can.

Cold start :
Ensure choke is not only set correctly but fully opens after about 3-4 minutes.

If PICT (?) carburetor set fast idle cam screw so it JUST barely touches stepped cam plus 1/4 turn & leave it. Best done stone cold. Also fuel/air & rpm settings.

Too much timing can cause a hard start & is not good for cruising. We don't drive at an idle.

Tune up :
Scrape ALL ignition surfaces - cap, rotor, & make sure everything is fully seated.
I do this once a year to eliminate potential problems.

Shaky idle :
Performance cam
Throttle shafts on carb leaking (can't really tune it)
Plug wire problems (not seated or shorted)
Sticking fuel pump rod (took me a while to find that one)
Spark plug fouled
Low compression on one or more cylinders
Vapor lock (full or partial) keep fuel lines & hoses away from heat sources

It's better to try & eliminate "what ifs" in the driveway.

Good luck ... stay safe

jinx


PS ...
Please post distributor, carb, & etc.
Lots of knowledgeable people with sharp eyes can spot problems if we had some pics. Thanks

You got this !
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:49 pm    Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well Reply with quote

This is fuel injection. I va plan on keeping it that way
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well Reply with quote

I apologize for not specifying earlier. I need to remember to put that on my signature.

Great write up. Thank you.

1978 beetle convertible With fuel injection. I believe everything is stock. Not sure.


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