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459032 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:34 pm Post subject: Beetle doesn’t run very well |
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Just bought it. Got it running. Addressed vacuum leaks and it ran better but not great.
Just did a compression test on cylinders one and two
1) 40 psi
2) 110 psi
3) 100 psi
4) 110 psi
What to do from here? Rebuild? Or check valves?
edit: remaining cylinder compression
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Cusser Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well |
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459032 wrote: |
Just did a compression test on cylinders one and two
1) 40 psi
2) 110 psi
What to do from here? Rebuild? Or check valves? |
FOR SURE: adjust the valves to 0.006" when stone cold. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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459032 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Mar 16, 2023 9:21 pm Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well |
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Where do you recommend getting rebuild parts or kits? |
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Nicholas D  Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 4:39 am Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well |
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If you take Cusser's advice, which I personally think you should, you don't need any type of rebuild kit. Only thing you should get would be valve cover gaskets. Cip1, Wolfsburg West or any other VW parts supplier will have them. The link to the thread below is in the stickies. Some of the information may be a little old but there are tons of threads on here about parts suppliers.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=523195 _________________ 71 Westfalia
73 Beetle |
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radstude Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:21 am Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well |
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May be a Valve sticking. _________________ 1967 VW Fastback (Past)
1971 VW Bug (Past)
1975 VW Bus (Past)
2002 VW Mexican Bug 1600i |
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Cusser Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:43 am Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well |
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Cusser wrote: |
459032 wrote: |
Just did a compression test on cylinders one and two
1) 40 psi
2) 110 psi
What to do from here? Rebuild? Or check valves? |
FOR SURE: adjust the valves to 0.006" when stone cold. |
After valve re-adjustment, re-do compression test. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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459032 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 12:28 pm Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well |
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Assuming it’s a sticky valve, how is that fixed? Is that fixed either the valve adjustment? |
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459032 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:06 pm Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well |
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Took off the valve cover. One of the rocker arms is not seated on the push rod. |
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Cusser Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 6:56 pm Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well |
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459032 wrote: |
Took off the valve cover. One of the rocker arms is not seated on the push rod. |
That will affect compression and performance !!! _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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459032 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:03 pm Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well |
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Do I just pop it back in? Why would the rocker arm come off the push rod? |
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gt1953 Samba Member

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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well |
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Bent push rod maybe. Loose valve adjustment. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
72 type 1
72 Squareback
({59 Euro bug, 62, 63, 67, 68, 69, 73 type ones 68 & 69 type two, 68 Ghia all sold}) |
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459032 Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Mar 17, 2023 8:08 pm Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well |
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Push rod was a little bent. I straightened it and now this car runs great! Y’all are awesome! |
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gt1953 Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 7:20 am Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well |
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Source outa replace stockpushrod as it may even bend again. _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
72 type 1
72 Squareback
({59 Euro bug, 62, 63, 67, 68, 69, 73 type ones 68 & 69 type two, 68 Ghia all sold}) |
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Cusser Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 8:45 am Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well |
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gt1953 wrote: |
Source outa replace stockpushrod as it may even bend again. |
459032 wrote: |
Push rod was a little bent. I straightened it and now this car runs great! Y’all are awesome! |
Replace that "straightened" pushrod or risk consequences !!! It bent for a reason, and "straightened" won't stay straight !!! _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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459032 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 1:39 pm Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well |
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Will do. Are all 1600’s or type 1’s the same length push rod?
A couple more questions:
Cold it’s hard to start. Hitting the throttle causes it to stumble. When warm starts right up and runs pretty good. A little bit of a shake cause by misfire
High idle. I advanced the timing which causes a high idle.
My plan is to re adjust valves and do a general tune up. |
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Cusser Samba Member

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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well |
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459032 wrote: |
Will do. Are all 1600’s or type 1’s the same length push rod? |
No, not all Type 1 use same - they've been making Type 1 for sale since 1946 !! Their early 1100cc and 1200cc engines were quite different !!!
All 1600cc engines for the US had same pushrods, and 1500cc were the same ones as well.
No one here will yell if you just buy a single new push rod. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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459032 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 3:01 pm Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well |
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I’m also in hot AZ. Where do you recommend getting a push rod |
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jinx758 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:11 pm Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well |
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Howdy ...
Congrats on fixing vacuum leaks & getting it to run.
Now focus on getting it to run as best as it can.
Cold start :
Ensure choke is not only set correctly but fully opens after about 3-4 minutes.
If PICT (?) carburetor set fast idle cam screw so it JUST barely touches stepped cam plus 1/4 turn & leave it. Best done stone cold. Also fuel/air & rpm settings.
Too much timing can cause a hard start & is not good for cruising. We don't drive at an idle.
Tune up :
Scrape ALL ignition surfaces - cap, rotor, & make sure everything is fully seated.
I do this once a year to eliminate potential problems.
Shaky idle :
Performance cam
Throttle shafts on carb leaking (can't really tune it)
Plug wire problems (not seated or shorted)
Sticking fuel pump rod (took me a while to find that one)
Spark plug fouled
Low compression on one or more cylinders
Vapor lock (full or partial) keep fuel lines & hoses away from heat sources
It's better to try & eliminate "what ifs" in the driveway.
Good luck ... stay safe
jinx
PS ...
Please post distributor, carb, & etc.
Lots of knowledgeable people with sharp eyes can spot problems if we had some pics. Thanks
You got this ! _________________ " It's not valuable unless you learn something from an experience. " Henry Ford
It's not unlike the same difference ...
My Craigslist rescued 100 footer :
1971 Standard Bug
1776cc dual port
034 distributor
38mm EGAS Carburetor |
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459032 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well |
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This is fuel injection. I va plan on keeping it that way |
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459032 Samba Member
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Posted: Sat Mar 18, 2023 9:19 pm Post subject: Re: Beetle doesn’t run very well |
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I apologize for not specifying earlier. I need to remember to put that on my signature.
Great write up. Thank you.
1978 beetle convertible With fuel injection. I believe everything is stock. Not sure.
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