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jwa9681
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 Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:00 am Post subject: Harness Style rear seatbelt? |
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Anyone ever installed something like this? Couldn't find in search.
https://www.extremeterrain.com/productphotos?webid...mp;index=0
My kids are still in 5 point car seats in the van, but boosters elsewhere. I don't mind the 3 point shoulder on the passenger side, but really don't want to go through the cabinet. Less about the drilling and more about the pain for storage and in the way during camping.
I have both top tethers installed on the rear hatch frame for the car seats. I was thinking of using them with this harness and then disconnecting and tucking under the seat while camping.
Thoughts/experience?
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DuncanS
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:51 am Post subject: Re: Harness Style rear seatbelt? |
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If you use climbing carabiners on the top connector, the whole thing could be tucked away when not needed. How did you get a serious connection to the top frame? Is it bolted from the outside with reinforcing to the inside? No head banger?
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jwa9681
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:57 am Post subject: Re: Harness Style rear seatbelt? |
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| DuncanS wrote: |
If you use climbing carabiners on the top connector, the whole thing could be tucked away when not needed. How did you get a serious connection to the top frame? Is it bolted from the outside with reinforcing to the inside? No head banger?
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https://gowesty.com/products/tether-bracket-kit-for-child-seat?_pos=1&_sid=8b1847cf3&_ss=r
I have those installed.
My exact thoughts on the attachment. Might use some aircraft cable as well to extend to the slot in the bottom of the cabinet.
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 5:14 pm Post subject: Re: Harness Style rear seatbelt? |
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I recall a seatbelt campaign maybe 50 years ago on bumper stickers. the sticker said...
"I Belt My Kid." with a stylized image of a seatbelt
Probably not politically correct these days. But kids did seem to respect people and rules more back then. Even our school teachers could give a kid a wack back then.
Anyway a funny double meaning.
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DuncanS
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| Posted: Thu Apr 13, 2023 7:59 pm Post subject: Re: Harness Style rear seatbelt? |
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I don't understand the question. If you have carabiners and the GW attachment, you can disconnect the upper belt when you want and stow it. What exactly are you trying to have happen that currently can't? What would the aircraft cable do? Why do you think you need it?
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jwa9681
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 6:20 am Post subject: Re: Harness Style rear seatbelt? |
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| DuncanS wrote: |
I don't understand the question. If you have carabiners and the GW attachment, you can disconnect the upper belt when you want and stow it. What exactly are you trying to have happen that currently can't? What would the aircraft cable do? Why do you think you need it?
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No question there. The cable would get the loop down to the slot and I'd be able to disconnect without opening the rear hatch (I often have bikes on the rear).
The original question was just if anyone had any experience with the 3 or 4 point harness style belts in the rear.
Purchased, I will update with photos in a bit.
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jwa9681
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 8:42 am Post subject: Re: Harness Style rear seatbelt? |
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That's a neat solution.
I wonder what the capacity of the seatback in these rigs is. Would be cool to find a wrecked van and pull one to failure to see if you can get the capacity needed. I think for a car seat I wouldn't be overfly concerned. But for a harness belt I think it could get interesting with the forces.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 14, 2023 8:58 am Post subject: Re: Harness Style rear seatbelt? |
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I'm in the same boat. In one van, it already had the cabinet cut and seatbelt run though it. I'm not a fan though. I have some Britax high back boosters they can use for a while and would like a shoulder belt for them. I wonder if there is a belt reel that can bolt to a bracket behind the seat that sits vertically that can be removed easy?
I previously built a LATCH setup that folds down so their toddler seats could be installed easy without belts.
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 5:40 am Post subject: Re: Harness Style rear seatbelt? |
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I really like this solution. Are you selling these? It looks like it adds one TA but the same concept would work for both seats with a longer bar.
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ALIKA T3
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| Posted: Sun Apr 16, 2023 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Harness Style rear seatbelt? |
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| Muftobration wrote: |
I really like this solution. Are you selling these? It looks like it adds one TA but the same concept would work for both seats with a longer bar. |
Thank you!
Yes the tether anchor had me scratching my head, so that's how I did it for friends with a kid that were visiting and borrowed my 2WD Westy van camping for a week.
I have one left I haven't installed in my Syncro, I was keeping it for later when my baby is grown up (5 weeks old now).
I can sell it to you and have another batch made by my machinist. (I don't trust myself drilling precisely spaced holes and even less welding).
The strap belt (for tether) bolt goes through and is welded from the back.
I can supply the longer bolts and lock nut/washer for the strap, you can get the strap on ebay the length you want for pretty cheap.
Shoot me a pm 
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| Posted: Mon Apr 17, 2023 10:23 pm Post subject: Re: Harness Style rear seatbelt? |
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I can vouch for the tether that ALIKA T3 has produced.
I have a forward facing seat and was looking for a solution and found his IG and was able to snag one.
I recently installed it in my 88 Wolfsburg and it fit perfect. Its sturdy and I have no doubt it will hold up, great quality. I havn't installed my seat in it yet but will this weekend for Buses at the Beach in Doheny. I can post more pics when I actually install the seat. 
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jwa9681
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| Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:00 am Post subject: Re: Harness Style rear seatbelt? |
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Installed, looks/works great. Just ordered another for the passenger. No more carseats! Gamechanger for the camp changeover or daytrips while camping. The connection just below the deck of the rear AC cabinet is a standard seat belt connection. So you can just disconnect that, the male end doesn't quite fit through the cabinet slit, so it just stops/stores there and you can tuck the remainder into the bench seat.
Although the connection I'm sure wouldn't meet the strength required by DOT, that's designed for a 500 lb person. This is more than sufficient for a 50 lb kid and doesn't rely on the capacity of the rear seat back hinge.
If the connection was a concern, you could easily reinforce the backside of the connection through the hatch frame connection and/or beef up that plate.
The belts are really nicely made as well.
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| Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:31 am Post subject: Re: Harness Style rear seatbelt? |
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Finally this topic becomes clear. And I can see that when not in use there is room to wrap the excess webbing and clips around the back and stow them in the space where the retract mechanism lives. Will that block off the A/C blower intake?
Thanks for the pics.
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jwa9681
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| Posted: Fri Apr 21, 2023 6:41 am Post subject: Re: Harness Style rear seatbelt? |
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| Will that block off the A/C blower intake? |
Not enough to matter. Maybe if you had 20 installed in there. Only the retract lives there. You disconnect just below the deck and the shoulder along with lap goes beneath the bench.
I was originally thinking the retractable wouldn't fit in there and it'd have to be below (hence my cable/carabiner comment). Stoked it fits above and that the male end doesn't pull back into the cabinet when detached.
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jwa9681
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| Posted: Mon Apr 24, 2023 10:58 am Post subject: Re: Harness Style rear seatbelt? |
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| Put some headrests back there too!! |
Agreed. I'm embarrassed I overlooked that! Just ordered some guides. Thanks!
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| Posted: Fri May 05, 2023 8:04 am Post subject: Re: Harness Style rear seatbelt? |
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The retract/lock mechanism works well at that angle too?
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| Posted: Fri May 05, 2023 11:09 am Post subject: Re: Harness Style rear seatbelt? |
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| hans j wrote: |
The retract/lock mechanism works well at that angle too? |
It's good. A little bit of an optical illusion in the photo. It's pretty well lined up actually.
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