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nanometer Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:32 am Post subject: Dumb question about rope and windshield installation |
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Getting ready to reinstall my windshield and I wanted to ask a couple of questions. First, in the diagram I put in, where does the rope go just before installation ? The other question is about using a product called Dri Lube instead of soapy water to install with. I mean I just got through cleaning and coating rust. I didn't really want anymore H2O in the procedure. What do you think .... Thanks
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mikedjames Samba Member

Joined: July 02, 2012 Posts: 3322 Location: Hamble, Hampshire, UK
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 11:45 am Post subject: Re: Dumb question about rope and windshield installation |
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In the groove in the seal where the metal lip will go - your job by pulling the rope inwards is to guide the inner rubber part of the seal over the metal lip.
Use something decent like braided polyester rope or cord - it needs to be strong but not too rough surfaced, large enough diameter to not cut into your hands, but small enough to fit in the groove.
It may need assistance from outside with pressure on the glass as well - depends on how accurate the repaired window aperture is, compared with stock. Slightly smaller and it can be a complete nightmare. _________________ Ancient vehicles and vessels
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SGKent  Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: Dumb question about rope and windshield installation |
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windex or wd-40. Wd-40 is what the auto glass shop suggested Start at the bottom center.
The rope goes where the green lip is like MikedJames posted. Use a rope that has a smoother surface on it, and not something like sisal ropes or twine. _________________ "Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it." - George Carlin |
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cmonSTART Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:18 pm Post subject: Re: Dumb question about rope and windshield installation |
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I used paracord, which worked fine. The Safelight guy did too when I had it replaced again later on. _________________ '78 Bus 2.0FI
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Wildthings Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Dumb question about rope and windshield installation |
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Put the gasket on the windshield and put the rope in the groove on the perimeter of the gasket where the metal lip will fit in. I use a 1/4" nylon rope and have seen others use larger ones. Smaller cord tends to bind up, takes more force, and takes more of a toll on one's hands.
Having an extra set of hands to manhandle the windshield is a plus. |
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Jeff Geisen Samba Chaplain

Joined: December 21, 2004 Posts: 1932 Location: N.W. Georgia
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 12:55 pm Post subject: Re: Dumb question about rope and windshield installation |
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The corners wii be tricky. There’ll be times you’ll need to smack on the glass with an open palm. Can’t be done alone, so you can blame your helper when the windshield cracks. _________________ I Corinthians 4: 1 thru 5
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli

Joined: August 31, 2013 Posts: 13304 Location: North Carolina
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 1:06 pm Post subject: Re: Dumb question about rope and windshield installation |
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Soak the cordage in melted paraffin, once coated, it will pull in many (100s) of seals. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
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nanometer Samba Member
Joined: May 02, 2012 Posts: 136 Location: Colorado
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:05 pm Post subject: Re: Dumb question about rope and windshield installation |
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TDCTDI wrote: |
Soak the cordage in melted paraffin, once coated, it will pull in many (100s) of seals. |
The problem I'm having right now is getting the rubber to go over the sharp edge of the glass. Wish they would have put a little bevel on it sorry for the bold type. Easier to read when ya need new glasses |
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busdaddy Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 3:23 pm Post subject: Re: Dumb question about rope and windshield installation |
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A credit card or putty knife shoved into the groove will help get the rubber over the edge of the glass, for the first 3/4 of it you can also bend the rubber back on itself to cause the groove to spread, but that doesn't work when you reach the home stretch. Also put tape around the rubber on to the glass once it's on the glass, nothing sucks like making progress and finding the part you already did has popped off. _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Wasted youth Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 4:14 pm Post subject: Re: Dumb question about rope and windshield installation |
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I found that wrapping the cord twice around the path worked well. One pass seemed to keep leaving many inches of the seal not getting pulled in, so I had to start all over. Paracord, two wraps, lots of spray silicone. (not the sealant silicone, but the lube silicone...)
As Jeff noted, ensure you have a helper slap the galss with open palm. A fist or solid thump easily sends crack through the glass. Blame Helper. |
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nanometer Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 5:57 pm Post subject: Re: Dumb question about rope and windshield installation |
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Wasted youth wrote: |
I found that wrapping the cord twice around the path worked well. One pass seemed to keep leaving many inches of the seal not getting pulled in, so I had to start all over. Paracord, two wraps, lots of spray silicone. (not the sealant silicone, but the lube silicone...)
As Jeff noted, ensure you have a helper slap the galss with open palm. A fist or solid thump easily sends crack through the glass. Blame Helper. |
Please everyone. I have the right rope but I didn't even get that far because I can't get the blasted gasket to go on the glass. Getting desperate here ...I'm thinking Vasaline. Is there a special plastic tool I can buy and where would I get it ? Can't wait on eBay. Once I get the gasket on the glass I will have made a giant leap. 
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Wildthings Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: Dumb question about rope and windshield installation |
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nanometer wrote: |
Wasted youth wrote: |
I found that wrapping the cord twice around the path worked well. One pass seemed to keep leaving many inches of the seal not getting pulled in, so I had to start all over. Paracord, two wraps, lots of spray silicone. (not the sealant silicone, but the lube silicone...)
As Jeff noted, ensure you have a helper slap the galss with open palm. A fist or solid thump easily sends crack through the glass. Blame Helper. |
I have the right rope but I didn't even get that far because I can't get the blasted gasket to go on the glass. Is there a special tool I can buy (probably plastic) because a credit card is waay too wimpy. Once I get the gasket on the glass I will have made a giant leap.  |
Take an angle grinder and put a bevel on the edge of the glass. Wear safety glasses or a face shield for sure. |
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nanometer Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:20 pm Post subject: Re: Dumb question about rope and windshield installation |
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Wildthings wrote: |
nanometer wrote: |
Wasted youth wrote: |
I found that wrapping the cord twice around the path worked well. One pass seemed to keep leaving many inches of the seal not getting pulled in, so I had to start all over. Paracord, two wraps, lots of spray silicone. (not the sealant silicone, but the lube silicone...)
As Jeff noted, ensure you have a helper slap the galss with open palm. A fist or solid thump easily sends crack through the glass. Blame Helper. |
I have the right rope but I didn't even get that far because I can't get the blasted gasket to go on the glass. Is there a special tool I can buy (probably plastic) because a credit card is waay too wimpy. Once I get the gasket on the glass I will have made a giant leap.  |
Take an angle grinder and put a bevel on the edge of the glass. Wear safety glasses or a face shield for sure. |
That's a good answer. I would gently start with a sanding block and 320 grit. Even a 1/16th bevel would help. Thanks  |
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germansupplyscott Samba Member

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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:25 pm Post subject: Re: Dumb question about rope and windshield installation |
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Wildthings wrote: |
Take an angle grinder and put a bevel on the edge of the glass. Wear safety glasses or a face shield for sure. |
To each their own but I enthusiatically disagree with grinding your windshield to get the seal on.
The seal will go on. It's very helpful to have a second person because the seal is, by design, slightly smaller than the glass so it's hard to get it pulled over one corner without it pulling off the opposite corner. Get one corner on. Get the opposite diagonal corner on, then get both sides completely on, then the top and the bottom. It can be tricky!
This is the type of tool you need to open the seal while getting it over the windshield, plus lots of soapy water. Lots and lots of soapy water.
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CessnaJon Samba Member
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Posted: Sun Oct 10, 2021 6:28 pm Post subject: Re: Dumb question about rope and windshield installation |
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The rope used in small engine recoil starters is about the right size. I’ve used that along with Dawn dishwasher soap for years. The key to success lies in the quality of the seal.
Installing windows is one of my favorite jobs on a VW. _________________ 1973 Westy (shared birthday)
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Abscate  Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Oct 11, 2021 1:23 am Post subject: Re: Dumb question about rope and windshield installation |
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CessnaJon wrote: |
The rope used in small engine recoil starters is about the right size. I’ve used that along with Dawn dishwasher soap for years. The key to success lies in the quality of the seal.
Installing windows is one of my favorite jobs on a VW. |
There is something inherently satisfying as it snaps into place, isn’t there.
“ I did that”
I feel you, Jon. _________________ 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🍊 🍊 🍊 |
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pioneer1 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 10:48 am Post subject: Re: Dumb question about rope and windshield installation |
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Find a local mobile auto glass company. I paid $150. He cracked the windshield and returned the next day with a new one. You cant go wrong _________________ "Always waiting for tomorrow ruined everything"
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mikedjames Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:16 pm Post subject: Re: Dumb question about rope and windshield installation |
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It is also worth knowing that there are different reproduction windscreen seals with different hardness of rubber. Some of them are much harder than others.
And that doing the job in the middle of summer at 70+F or inside a heated workshop is a lot easier than trying to do it around 30-50 degrees F, because cold rubber is harder. _________________ Ancient vehicles and vessels
1974 VW T2 : Devon Eurovette camper with 1641 DP T1 engine, Progressive carb, full flow oil cooler, EDIS crank timed ignition.
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Nitramrebrab72 Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 12:32 pm Post subject: Re: Dumb question about rope and windshield installation |
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If you have problems getting the seal over the windscreen corners warm in up in a tub of hot water . It will pull over like a treat. Make sure to position the seal properly soon as you have it on the windscreen before it cools down . Let it cool a couple of minutes it will harden slightly . But not to long so as to take advantage of its warm soften state for fitting to the van. |
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TDCTDI Samba Advocatus Diaboli

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Posted: Wed Oct 13, 2021 1:32 pm Post subject: Re: Dumb question about rope and windshield installation |
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Start at a corner, line the split in the gasket up with the edge of the glass nearest to you & hook it on the edge, then bend the gasket backwards to splay the split open & snap it over the edge of the glass.
Use a strip of tape over that corner to hold it in place & then go to the next corner & do the same thing. Repeat until the gasket is on all four corners.
Then, find a chair to sit in & place the windshield in your lap & work the gasket along the edge (furthest from you so you can see that the edge of the gasket as you work it onto the glass. It helps to hold the gasket in place with a piece of tape every 1.5’ or so as a new gasket tends to want to slip off.) and just continue working your way around. _________________ Everybody born before 1975 has a story, good, bad, or indifferent, about a VW.
GOFUNDYOURSELF, quit asking everyone to do it for you!
An air cooled VW will make you a hoarder.
Do something, anything, to your project every day, and you will eventually complete it. |
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