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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2025 8:20 am    Post subject: 1971 1600 starter Reply with quote

Hi gang...before I go out and buy a new starter, which is what I think my issue is, I wanted to run this by you all.
I believe it's the starter because sometimes when I turn the key I hear nothing, sometimes I hear the solenoid click, and a couple of times the engine would turn, but not start, which I figured is because the starter just wasn't spinning fast enough. The battery is fully charged and I've checked my connections, which are clean and tight.
I'd also like to to know if you all think the starter is the issue which starter should I get. I saw a Bosch for around $220, but it's made in China. I know Bosch are supposed to be the best, but the China thing has me a little nervous, plus I saw one on JBugs(I believe) that was made in Germany for about $150. As they say... I'd rather buy once and cry once rather than having to buy another starter in a few years .
Any thoughts or opinions would be greatly appreciated...Thanks
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2025 9:24 am    Post subject: Re: 1971 1600 starter Reply with quote

This is a long shot, but is the ground strap on your trans in good shape with clean connections?
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2025 10:16 am    Post subject: Re: 1971 1600 starter Reply with quote

I would do a little more testing before I replaced the starter, there is a good chance you only need to put a hot start relay conversion on it due to a weak ignition switch or wiring between the switch and starter relay.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2025 11:01 am    Post subject: Re: 1971 1600 starter Reply with quote

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I would do a little more testing before I replaced the starter.

I would do a lot more testing before I replaced the starter.

Yes, make sure that the electrical connections are all good, clean, and shiny, same for ground strap.

Did you try a jump start from another vehicle? Just because you charged it, doesn't mean that you have enough battery power when under load.

Get the battery load tested.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2025 11:25 am    Post subject: Re: 1971 1600 starter Reply with quote

If you do eventually buy a starter I would suggest a rebuilt Bosch sr-17x. This is a self supporting starter( no bushing) and was used on the auto stick shifts and 914s among others. There is a guy selling them on the samba classifieds under the 68 and newer section. I have been using these for about 40 years with no problems. Where are you on Long Island? I grew up in Bay Shore and lived in West Islip and Commack. Good luck-Bob
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2025 12:38 pm    Post subject: Re: 1971 1600 starter Reply with quote

Most FLAPS (friendly local auto parts stores) will test your starter for free. At least around here they do but you can test it yourself with a cheap push button.
https://www.amazon.com/Performance-Tool-W80586-Rem...mp;sr=8-12
This would at least isolate the problem to wiring within the car
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2025 2:40 pm    Post subject: Re: 1971 1600 starter Reply with quote

jeffrey8164 wrote:
Most FLAPS (friendly local auto parts stores) will test your starter for free. At least around here they do but you can test it yourself with a cheap push button.

I would NOT do that; the starter for the manual transmission VWs is not self supported, and that could damage the starter internally.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2025 3:05 pm    Post subject: Re: 1971 1600 starter Reply with quote

Neutral and chocked. Screwdriver and know how and a little nerve. Test your starter.
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PostPosted: Fri Aug 01, 2025 4:06 pm    Post subject: Re: 1971 1600 starter Reply with quote

Get a volt meter and see how much voltage is reaching the solenoid (small black wire on solenoid) if less than 12V the electrical part of key switch is dead.
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 02, 2025 8:37 am    Post subject: Re: 1971 1600 starter Reply with quote

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test your starter for free

Cusser beat me to it. The LAPS guy just stares at a manual transaxle starter. The un-supported end just flops around if it does turn.

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the solenoid (small black wire on solenoid)

or red Cool
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 6:43 pm    Post subject: Re: 1971 1600 starter Reply with quote

I tried a few of the suggestions from you all and I'm pretty sure it's the starter. I have 12.7 volts at the starter, checked all connections, have a good ground, and even put a screwdriver across the terminals ,which unfortunately did not have any effect. It wasn't until I gave the starter a few wraps with a hammer that it jumped to life.
So, I guess I'll be replacing the starter.
Thanks for all the help , I appreciate it.
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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2025 6:47 pm    Post subject: Re: 1971 1600 starter Reply with quote

Wino24 wrote:
It wasn't until I gave the starter a few wraps with a hammer that it jumped to life.

Yes, that sounds like a bad starter. I did that same "test" on our Suburban 15 years ago before installing a new starter.
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PostPosted: Yesterday 7:41 pm    Post subject: Re: 1971 1600 starter Reply with quote

Wino24 wrote:
I tried a few of the suggestions from you all and I'm pretty sure it's the starter. I have 12.7 volts at the starter, checked all connections, have a good ground, and even put a screwdriver across the terminals ,which unfortunately did not have any effect. It wasn't until I gave the starter a few wraps with a hammer that it jumped to life.
So, I guess I'll be replacing the starter.


Have you considered having your old starter rebuilt? Back in the day I went through several "lifetime warranty" starters from the local auto parts store. The fact that they would replace them for free wasn't helpful. Who wants to go through the hassle of replacing the starter every couple of months? Took the last one to a reputable local rebuilder and never had another problem with it.
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