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72Bus_in_OC Samba Member

Joined: October 06, 2019 Posts: 99 Location: Orange, Ca
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:13 pm Post subject: Dead alternator - Type 4 bay, cant find a new one. |
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Alternator just went out and Im having a hell of a time trying to find a new one. I know there are re-builds online but trying to go new here if possible.
My brother in law was telling me that there are conversion kits for Chevy alternators, has anyone here ever done that?
The only new alternator I was able to find was in Belgium and can be here in a couple of days, bad news its $320. |
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 4462 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 4:51 pm Post subject: Re: Dead alternator - Type 4 bay, cant find a new one. |
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You can buy a remanufactured at your local FLAPS for about $70 |
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W1K1 Samba Member

Joined: March 04, 2004 Posts: 5284 Location: Southern AB
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 4462 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Dead alternator - Type 4 bay, cant find a new one. |
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W1K1 wrote: |
your local electric motor rewind shop should be able to rebuild it for you too. |
This, Buy the cheap one from the auto parts store and take yours to the rebuilder for a spare. |
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SGKent  Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 42370 Location: at the beach
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: Dead alternator - Type 4 bay, cant find a new one. |
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is this 55 amp or 70 amp? _________________ "Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it." - George Carlin |
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72Bus_in_OC Samba Member

Joined: October 06, 2019 Posts: 99 Location: Orange, Ca
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: Dead alternator - Type 4 bay, cant find a new one. |
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SGKent wrote: |
is this 55 amp or 70 amp? |
55 Amp. |
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aeromech Samba Member

Joined: January 24, 2006 Posts: 17615 Location: San Diego, California
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Posted: Tue Nov 14, 2023 6:05 pm Post subject: Re: Dead alternator - Type 4 bay, cant find a new one. |
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I have one. If you’re interested send me a pm _________________ Lead Mechanic: San Diego Air and Space Museum
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SGKent  Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 42370 Location: at the beach
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 8:06 am Post subject: Re: Dead alternator - Type 4 bay, cant find a new one. |
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55 amp easy to find. Most likely Telford has looked over Gary's (Aeromech). That would be the one to get. That said, be sure the backing plate clears the stud and washer, and make your own gasket. _________________ "Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it." - George Carlin |
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72Bus_in_OC Samba Member

Joined: October 06, 2019 Posts: 99 Location: Orange, Ca
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 9:25 am Post subject: Re: Dead alternator - Type 4 bay, cant find a new one. |
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Good news everyone! I found a brand new one in Perris (Autozone) which is about 40 miles from me. Driving over to pick up now. |
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SGKent  Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 42370 Location: at the beach
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 10:14 am Post subject: Re: Dead alternator - Type 4 bay, cant find a new one. |
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do not install it until you understand the stud and washer problem that exists or you will burn some things up. _________________ "Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it." - George Carlin |
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Wildthings Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 10:53 am Post subject: Re: Dead alternator - Type 4 bay, cant find a new one. |
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If it's new, it is likely a Bosch for a different application that will kind of fit. As mentioned make sure the two studs on the diode plate have been shortened and that the one washer is either a small diameter one or has been clipped. There may be gaps in the housing that need to be sealed off as well. |
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Davy_B. Samba Member
Joined: July 27, 2022 Posts: 63 Location: België
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 11:42 am Post subject: Re: Dead alternator - Type 4 bay, cant find a new one. |
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Don't forget when you install the new one that it must get power from the wire that comes from the dashboard light... this is to magnetize! Don't ask me! I thought it was already defective...  |
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72Bus_in_OC Samba Member

Joined: October 06, 2019 Posts: 99 Location: Orange, Ca
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 12:05 pm Post subject: Re: Dead alternator - Type 4 bay, cant find a new one. |
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Thanks for the info all! |
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459032 Samba Member
Joined: February 13, 2023 Posts: 122
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 3:13 pm Post subject: Re: Dead alternator - Type 4 bay, cant find a new one. |
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Just have yours rebuilt. _________________ 1978 VW Beetle convertible w/ FI
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bsairhead Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2008 Posts: 4462 Location: viroqua wi.
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Posted: Wed Nov 15, 2023 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: Dead alternator - Type 4 bay, cant find a new one. |
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Davy_B. wrote: |
Don't forget when you install the new one that it must get power from the wire that comes from the dashboard light... this is to magnetize! Don't ask me! I thought it was already defective...  |
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75 Westy FI noob Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2022 Posts: 430 Location: MidWest
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 7:30 am Post subject: Re: Dead alternator - Type 4 bay, cant find a new one. |
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Davy_B. wrote: |
Don't forget when you install the new one that it must get power from the wire that comes from the dashboard light... this is to magnetize! Don't ask me! I thought it was already defective...  |
I jump started the ol Lorax Lorry when it had a flat battery.
Now i have a dark instrument panel and running voltage of 13.2 independent of the rpms.
Is the dark panel causing the Alt not to energize?
Studying the diagram, I suspect the D+ might be cold and failing to supply the Blue wire. But based on Davy B's comment.. maybe the Blue wire is supposed to be powered by the instrument panel? |
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Wildthings Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 8:11 am Post subject: Re: Dead alternator - Type 4 bay, cant find a new one. |
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75 Westy FI noob wrote: |
Davy_B. wrote: |
Don't forget when you install the new one that it must get power from the wire that comes from the dashboard light... this is to magnetize! Don't ask me! I thought it was already defective...  |
I jump started the ol Lorax Lorry when it had a flat battery.
Now i have a dark instrument panel and running voltage of 13.2 independent of the rpms.
Is the dark panel causing the Alt not to energize?
Studying the diagram, I suspect the D+ might be cold and failing to supply the Blue wire. But based on Davy B's comment.. maybe the Blue wire is supposed to be powered by the instrument panel? |
With the engine not running but the key on, you should have some voltage on the blue wire at the alternator and regulator and the light on the dash should be on. Once you start the engine the voltage on the D+ wire should be whatever the charging voltage is. |
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75 Westy FI noob Samba Member
Joined: November 04, 2022 Posts: 430 Location: MidWest
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 8:17 am Post subject: Re: Dead alternator - Type 4 bay, cant find a new one. |
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I'm now zeroing in on the Black (15) from the ignition ..
I thought the Blue was powered by the Red from the Alt... but now I see that there's a jumper from the Black to the Alt Light .. to the Blue.
So, assuming the Black is cold.. and the Alt Light is cold.. would that prevent the Alternator from energizing / building Amps ?
Odd to me that the Alt light is off when the key is ON, but the Alt light is on when the engine is running. more staring at diagram is in order. |
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SGKent  Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 42370 Location: at the beach
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 9:57 am Post subject: Re: Dead alternator - Type 4 bay, cant find a new one. |
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did you verify if S9 has voltage on at least one side of the fuse. Count from the left. _________________ "Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it." - George Carlin |
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wagen19 Samba Member
Joined: November 16, 2007 Posts: 648 Location: germany
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Posted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 11:47 am Post subject: Re: Dead alternator - Type 4 bay, cant find a new one. |
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SGKent wrote: |
did you verify if S9 has voltage on at least one side of the fuse. Count from the left. |
Dashboard light: hangs on terminal 15 + and on D+ (blue wire connected with regulator black wire)
Engine off but ignition on: > light on, because D+ brings ground, Voltage + from terminal 15
Engine on, alternator charging: > light off, because double + plus, from terminal 15 and D+
The Alternator needs minimum positive voltage from terminal 15 through the bulb of dashboard light to blue wire and D+ for starting polarising and charging then. |
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