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Gershwin 1966 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2010 Posts: 2 Location: Mishawaka, In
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:22 pm Post subject: Help with sale of 66 Bug |
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Hello,
I'm writing from my Father's old account. He unfortunately passed away a little over a year ago. He often spoke of learning a lot from this site, and I know he got a lot of value and enjoyment from the time he spent on it.
The time has come to make some hard decisions, and one of them is to sell his prized blue 66 Beetle. He put a lot of work into it, drove it a good amount, and won many awards with it. Unfortunately neither my mother or is is not able to maintain it the way he did. So we are looking to find it a new home, hopefully with someone who will appreciate it and care for it as well as my father did.
I'm writing to see if anyone out there has some advice on where to begin with this process? Are there good websites to go to for sales? Do we need professional pictures? How can I best tackle its unique condition (see below)?
Background and what we've done so far:
-The car has 61500 miles on it, and is in cosmetically great shape. Similarly, the engine starts and runs great.
-We've had it appraised, but feel that the value seems suspiciously high
-My dad was doing some electrical work on the car and then fell ill before he could fully repair it. As such, the current electrical condition is a bit degraded. The headlights, right tail light and windshield wipers work. All other electrical items (radio, turn signals, etc) are currently not working.
-The car is still on the original 6V system. It would be cost/labor prohibitive for us to repair it either with the 6V system or a 12V changeover. We intend to sell it as is.
-The car has been kept in a garage and on jacks for the last year. I recently took it off the jacks and drove it for about a mile in a residential neighborhood. It seems to run great.
Again, if anyone has any insight on how to proceed or any advice at all, I'd really appreciate it. Just trying to find the best home for "Gershwin" (that's his name for the car).
Attached are some pictures of the car.
Thanks!
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Busstom Samba Member

Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 4579 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 6:48 pm Post subject: Re: Help with sale of 66 Bug |
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That's a very nice '66, the color is Sea Blue if you weren't aware of it.
The easiest and most obvious option to me is just post it here on the Samba, you'll maximize views by VW people, hopefully by people in the Midwest who may want a clean, rust-free VW. (You didn't mention rust, but it sounds and looks solid from this perspective.)
The other option is a venue like Bring-a-Trailer, the auction site, but i personally know very little about that option.
Just beware, the prices here on the Samba are often exceedingly high by what some of us call "dreamers" looking to cash in...sometimes these people are long-time VW people who just simply won't part with their car unless they can get the money out of it that they feel it's worth or has been invested. Sometimes they can get it, often times not. Look at ads for comparable cars and associated asking prices, and then look at the ad details to see how many months or years it's been on the market and how many "views" it's had, and that will give you some idea if their particular asking price is working out.
In any case, best of luck selling it, I'd say try not to be in a rush and don't get low-balled, if you do, you may just be giving it to somebody who is going to flip it on this site or somewhere else, there're plenty of them out there.
PS: I just looked at your dad's gallery, it's got a lot of pics, only one of the footwell that reveals apparently minor rust, no deal breaker, but maybe dig around in those areas and underneath in the wheel wells and get pics of that for potential buyers or to post in your ad. _________________ My name's Steve and it's pronounced "Bust 'em" (cuz people think I'm Tom)
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rcooled Samba Member

Joined: September 20, 2008 Posts: 2756 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 8:20 pm Post subject: Re: Help with sale of 66 Bug |
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Sorry to hear of your dad's passing...that's a very nice looking VW he left you.
Busstom's advice to start here with TheSamba classifieds is good. If you don't get enough interest going that route, you might consider one of the many on-line auction sites. Bring a Trailer https://bringatrailer.com/ and Hemmings https://www.hemmings.com/stories/tag/online-auctions/ are two of the more popular ones.
Lots of good clear photos and a driving video will be very helpful in presenting your car to potential buyers on-line. Staying engaged in the auction to answer questions about the car is very important too.
Here's an example of a nicely done VW auction on BaT. Notice all the details that were shown in the photos (including some minor flaws)...you should do the same with your car. Take notice of the videos too.
https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1966-volkswagen-beetle-117/ _________________ '63 Ragtop (current)
'65 Ghia coupe (totaled)
'67 Ghia convertible (current)
'69.5 Ghia convertible and
'62, '63, '65, '69 Bugs (all long gone) |
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Tram Samba Socialist

Joined: May 02, 2003 Posts: 23034 Location: Northwest of Normal
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Posted: Tue Jul 09, 2024 10:41 pm Post subject: Re: Help with sale of 66 Bug |
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Beautiful car- love the name Gershwin and the connection to "Rhapsody In Blue".
Sorry about your dad's passing. I'm not a Beetle guy (Type 3 for me) but just from the photos you posted the incredible attention to detail is obvious. Sure you can't keep him? _________________ Немає виправдання для війни! Я з Україною.
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Those who can- do.
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finster Samba Member

Joined: May 26, 2012 Posts: 9987 Location: not far from the madding crowd
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Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 1:51 am Post subject: Re: Help with sale of 66 Bug |
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sorry to hear of your loss. my father died last xmas so I know what you're going through and it can be hard dealing with their estate.
advertising a car (or anything) for sale online can be a hassle with tyre kickers, dreamers and schemers plus the constant flow of daft questions like if you want to trade for an 80s mirada and a goldfish...so another option is randy carlson's oldbug.com set-up.
you advertise with them, they field the enquiries and only pass on the serious punters to clinch the deal. but this will cost you - $750 according to his website - take a look https://www.oldbug.com/listing.htm
I have no affiliation to randy (I'm in the uk) but if he's reading this he owes me a beer  _________________ "we're here on Earth to fart around" kurt vonnegut
nothing lasts, nothing is finished, and nothing is perfect... |
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iowegian  Samba Curmudgeon

Joined: February 16, 2005 Posts: 9944 Location: Somewhere between Dubuque and Keokuk
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Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 5:57 am Post subject: Re: Help with sale of 66 Bug |
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What a beautiful car. In looking at all of the photos (with great captions) in Gershwin's gallery, I'd say that it was a very high level (not cheap) restoration
before taking a lot of lengthy road trips. Whatever electrical problems the car might have at this time have to be minor in the grand scheme of things.
As mentioned, a service like Randy Carlson provides would help in getting your mother every dollar this beauty deserves. Another option would be contacting the restorer who sold Gershwin to your dad. |
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gt1953 Samba Member

Joined: May 08, 2002 Posts: 13947 Location: White Mountains Arizona
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Posted: Wed Jul 10, 2024 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: Help with sale of 66 Bug |
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Put it in a few cars shows proir to selling and have the trophies in the back seat. That vehicle is a cream puff. It will sell for the what ever the asking price is. NADA classic car guide average 14K high retail could go to 33K _________________ Volkswagen: We tune what we drive.
Numbers Matching VW's are getting harder to find. Source out the most Stock vehicle and keep that way. You will be glad you did.
72 type 1
72 Squareback
({59 Euro bug, 62, 63, 67, 68, 69, 73 type ones 68 & 69 type two, 68 Ghia all sold}) |
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Dusty1 Samba Member
Joined: April 16, 2004 Posts: 2094
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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 9:53 am Post subject: Re: Help with sale of 66 Bug |
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Tram wrote: |
I'm not a Beetle guy (Type 3 for me) but just from the photos you posted the incredible attention to detail is obvious. Sure you can't keep him? |
The way Concours d' Elegance are judged is everyone starts at 100 points. Points are subtracted for flaws. As you might expect highest score wins.
"Incredible attention to detail" infers flawless paint.
I would have to poke all the usual spots to establish a fair and accurate price. Start at 100 points, points off for anything that isn't perfect.
Unfortunately most VW restorations are amateur restorations. The cost of a professional restoration means you need to get Porsche style money to recoup your "investment".
I say price it at $11k and see how fast it goes.
gt1953 wrote: |
Put it in a few cars shows proir to selling and have the trophies in the back seat. That vehicle is a cream puff. It will sell for the what ever the asking price is. NADA classic car guide average 14K high retail could go to 33K |
Look at the texture of the paint on the hood. Might just be a reflection. Looks like a dry spot.
A high money sale requires high money photographs. Reflections that look like flaws may mean the car won't get a second look.
Sound off! How many Samba members paid $30k for their '66 Bugs?
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Busstom Samba Member

Joined: November 23, 2014 Posts: 4579 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:03 am Post subject: Re: Help with sale of 66 Bug |
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Dusty1 wrote: |
I say price it at $11k and see how fast it goes. |
I'll be the first to go on record and say, that's way too low. It will go in a heartbeat and be right back in the ads for $16K or more. _________________ My name's Steve and it's pronounced "Bust 'em" (cuz people think I'm Tom)
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Dusty1 Samba Member
Joined: April 16, 2004 Posts: 2094
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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 10:17 am Post subject: Re: Help with sale of 66 Bug |
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Busstom wrote: |
Dusty1 wrote: |
I say price it at $11k and see how fast it goes. |
I'll be the first to go on record and say, that's way too low. It will go in a heartbeat and be right back in the ads for $16K or more. |
O.k.. Let's say $16k West Coast.
It's an Indiana car.
One of the difficulties of purchasing a classic vehicle is you need disposable income. Yes, I understand how that works in California. One of my West Coast cousins just spent $800k on a condo so she can continue to rent her house in SF for $5k a month. I'm wonderin' about her ROI.
My bank won't front me $15k for an old VW. I'm not gonna tap my 401k for one, either.
I had another California cousin back east a while ago. He looked at a ruby red "patina" '65 I towed all the way from Texas. I bought it because it was solid and straight with original paint. Cousin Cal Look took one look at my straightest most solid VW and exclaimed,
"It's a rusty POS."
I spend quite a bit of my time shopping for classic cars and parts. Practically none of them are as good as they look.
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BMFBMF Samba Member
Joined: November 13, 2020 Posts: 460 Location: Swtzerland
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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 11:17 am Post subject: Re: Help with sale of 66 Bug |
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Sorry about your dad. It's a beautiful car, don't let it go for a steal! _________________ -----Slava Ukraini-----
1971 Stock South African Beetle 1300 : My mom's european "Thin Chick" spec. Completely stock with torsion bar front, swingaxle rear, smooth hubs, single MC, 40 mm shoes, 31PICT3 carb and 5 bolt drums all round, currently Running a 1976 SF:AS engine with the original SF:AD engine overhauled in a box, waiting to go back in one day. |
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rcooled Samba Member

Joined: September 20, 2008 Posts: 2756 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 12:20 pm Post subject: Re: Help with sale of 66 Bug |
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Busstom wrote: |
Dusty1 wrote: |
I say price it at $11k and see how fast it goes. |
I'll be the first to go on record and say, that's way too low. It will go in a heartbeat and be right back in the ads for $16K or more. |
I agree...$11K would be a giveaway price for that car. Using BaT as a reference, it seems that cars of this caliber are currently selling in the $17K-$20K range.
https://bringatrailer.com/volkswagen/beetle-1958-1979/?sortby=bd&yearFrom=1965&yearTo=1967
Dusty1 wrote: |
My bank won't front me $15k for an old VW. I'm not gonna tap my 401k for one, either. |
There are plenty of potential buyers out there who are looking for quality cars...and have the means to pay for them. The OP needn't worry about where the money's coming from...just list the car for a realistic price and wait for the right buyer to come along. _________________ '63 Ragtop (current)
'65 Ghia coupe (totaled)
'67 Ghia convertible (current)
'69.5 Ghia convertible and
'62, '63, '65, '69 Bugs (all long gone) |
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Dusty1 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 1:23 pm Post subject: Re: Help with sale of 66 Bug |
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rcooled wrote: |
Dusty1 wrote: |
My bank won't front me $15k for an old VW. I'm not gonna tap my 401k for one, either. |
There are plenty of potential buyers out there who are looking for quality cars...and have the means to pay for them. The OP needn't worry about where the money's coming from...just list the car for a realistic price and wait for the right buyer to come along. |
Again, from a California perspective.
The way it looks from where I'm standing the collector car market features ever increasing asking prices propped up by inflated "book" values. I've been at this since I could buy these cars new. My state DMV loves charging "use" tax according to various enthusiast "book" values. I have never, ever paid anything close to "book" value and I likely never will. Considering the vintage Volkswagen hobby is shrinking there may be an ass for every seat but good luck havin' your specific ass show up in Indiana cash in hand.
Part of the fun is finding a nice car at an attractive price. Volkswagen made over 20 million Bugs. They're not rare. What is rare is finding an attractive deal on an attractive car. For me I'd just as soon pay $2k for a handpicked '66 project and build it up myself. That way I get exactly the car I want exactly the way I want it. If anyone wants to pay me $15k for my car I wouldn't turn it down.
For anyone who cares to fault me for not leading with "Sorry for your loss." my brother passed not so long ago. He's in a little box on my mom's credenza. To avoid awkwardness, skip "Sorry for your loss." I know exactly where my late brother is. It would be really awkward if misplaced him.
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Busstom Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 1:26 pm Post subject: Re: Help with sale of 66 Bug |
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Dusty1 wrote: |
Again, from a California perspective.  |
No. Iowegian just sold his patina'd car for something like $22K or thereabouts, so geography isn't a factor, I'd argue the opposite: someone in the Midwest is hungry for something solid, since they seemingly always have to go out of the area to locate something solid. Insert your eye-roll emoji there
In fact, many people on here argue that cars go for MORE in those areas due to lack of good supply. I thought you used to be one of them. _________________ My name's Steve and it's pronounced "Bust 'em" (cuz people think I'm Tom)
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Dusty1 Samba Member
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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 1:35 pm Post subject: Re: Help with sale of 66 Bug |
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Busstom wrote: |
Dusty1 wrote: |
Again, from a California perspective.  |
No. Iowegian just sold his patina'd car for something like $22 or something, geography isn't a factor, I'd argue the opposite: someone in the Midwest is hungry for something solid, since they seemingly always have to go out of the area to locate something solid. Insert your eye-roll emoji there
In fact, many people on here argue that cars go for MORE in those areas due to lack of good supply. I thought you used to be one of them. |
Having been in L.A. recently... first time in 20 years...
Where are all the vintage Volkswagens?
It's a rhetorical question. They're in backyards in San Bernardino. And Hemet. And Apple Valley.
But...
Methinks the "scene" is nothing like it used to be. Even Tamara Carrera, the Vanna White of the VW scene isn't 20- something anymore. The VW scene used to be what the Japanese "tuner" scene is, now. The VW hobby is roughly following the muscle car hobby. It's an aging demographic. We motorhead geezers may have cash to pursue our fading adolescent passion but that won't last forever.
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KTPhil  Samba Member

Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 35883 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 2:34 pm Post subject: Re: Help with sale of 66 Bug |
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Prices remain high because of the interplay of two demographic factors.
1. Yes, it is a diminishing hobby as those who knew them when they were young age.
2. But that same group is more affluent than ever, and can afford to indulge their hobby.
The price see-saws have been because of the changing balance of these two factors. In a good economy, the aging money wins out. In a diminishing economy, even the aged money gets more conservative.
My personal guess is that we are 10-15 years away from (1) outweighing (2). But we will see.
Now, back to advising the seller. I suggest he/she look here on the Samba for any nearby clubs, and have someone check it out IN PERSON and offer pricing suggestions in the area. If that seems insufficient, wider advertising may bring in better offers.
It's a well-maintained and/or restored example and should command a premium price. I would lean closer to $15K than $10K myself, if it's as clean and good underneath as it is on top, as I suspect. _________________ Current Fleet:
- '71 Fastback
- '69 Westfalia
Retired:
- '67 Beetle
- '65 Beetle (x2)
- '65 Bus
- '71 Squareback
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OldSchoolVW's  Samba Member

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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 3:40 pm Post subject: Re: Help with sale of 66 Bug |
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Dusty1 wrote: |
Having been in L.A. recently... first time in 20 years...
Where are all the vintage Volkswagens?
It's a rhetorical question. They're in backyards in San Bernardino. And Hemet. And Apple Valley. |
They may be in backyards up there, but they're on the roads here in San Diego County. It's not all that unusual to see ACVWs (Bugs, Ghias, Type 2s, Type 3s, Things,) driving around. There are still 3 active and busy shops that specialize in ACVWs within 3 miles of each other in the eastern suburbs of San Diego ... not to mention mobile VW service like Markswagen. Air Schooled is home based out here too. It certainly doesn't hurt to have a drive-it-all-year-long climate. We are very fortunate indeed ... and never take it for granted. Gershwin would feel right at home. _________________ Tom
"Following distance is proportional to IQ."
"It's okay to think."
"If you don't do it this year, you'll be one year older when you do." Warren Miller
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Gershwin 1966 Samba Member
Joined: May 08, 2010 Posts: 2 Location: Mishawaka, In
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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 4:40 pm Post subject: Re: Help with sale of 66 Bug |
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Thank you all for the great information and the kind words. I've reached out to Randy, and that seems like a very promising avenue. I can see why my dad was such a fan of this site! Thanks again |
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heimlich  VWNOS.com

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Posted: Thu Jul 11, 2024 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: Help with sale of 66 Bug |
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DUNTOVFAN Samba Member
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Posted: Fri Jul 12, 2024 1:39 am Post subject: Re: Help with sale of 66 Bug |
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Really clean 66,a Beetle of that caliber would do great on Bring a Trailer. I bought a 62 off there last year. They've got a page with past sales that could give you an idea on value. There's some pretty hefty seller/buyer fees though. |
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