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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 5:02 pm    Post subject: ‘82 Aircooled Westfalia Engine Upgrade/Replacement Reply with quote

Hey everyone.

I wanted to get everyone insight on either replacing my air cooled engine with another (not sure how difficult they are to source.) or Subaru swap it. I’ve read up on the process for the last month and a half and if I do decide to water cool swap it, I’d be doing it myself. I’m not in a hurry to replace it, compression is great, no fuel injection leaks, no overheating. Everything runs great so far, however I am looking towards the future and what I want to do.

Does anyone know where I can source reliable air cooled engines, either used or rebuilt for the vanagon or any tips on Subaru swapping my westy? Or if finding another air cooled engine not specific to the vanagon and swapping it in.

Thanks!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 5:18 pm    Post subject: Re: ‘82 Aircooled Westfalia Engine Upgrade/Replacement Reply with quote

Well, there are two in the Classifieds: a rebuild for $3500ish from Noname garage in Eugene, and a used one for $750 (but it appears to be very flexible) in the Soquel area a bit closer to you.

Personally, I'd do the swap - faster, better climber, much better mileage. Have fun!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 6:01 pm    Post subject: Re: ‘82 Aircooled Westfalia Engine Upgrade/Replacement Reply with quote

khughes wrote:
Well, there are two in the Classifieds: a rebuild for $3500ish from Noname garage in Eugene, and a used one for $750 (but it appears to be very flexible) in the Soquel area a bit closer to you.

Personally, I'd do the swap - faster, better climber, much better mileage. Have fun!


That’s great to know! Do you have experience with the rebuilt motor from no name? Or swapping it with a Subaru engine? Thanks!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:02 pm    Post subject: Re: ‘82 Aircooled Westfalia Engine Upgrade/Replacement Reply with quote

I've got experience doing both. When I bought my '80 I blew the original motor a week later and had to replace it. I swapped it for an upgraded aircooled engine. It worked out fine, pushed it up to 150HP. Unfortunately I cracked a crank in it 40k miles later. At that point I did the whole watercooled Subaru swap. Honestly, its WAY better. The 150HP engine pushed it around just fine and was a good upgrade from stock, but it still wasn't FAST. It still lost speed up long grades, it still got passed by most things...

With the Subaru I built (I went with a turbo EJ20x, so more power than most builds) its absolutely night and day difference.
I can ACCELERATE up any grade I like in 4th gear, I don't have to downshift and floor it to maintain speed. I barely have to give it any throttle at all. Now, your usual Subaru *NON* turbo swap won't have as much pep as mine does, but its still going to be a massive change.

I don't think honestly I'd EVER reinstall a stock aircooled engine in a Vanagon. Ever. 67HP just isn't enough to push them around.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:11 pm    Post subject: Re: ‘82 Aircooled Westfalia Engine Upgrade/Replacement Reply with quote

GoEverywhere wrote:
I've got experience doing both. When I bought my '80 I blew the original motor a week later and had to replace it. I swapped it for an upgraded aircooled engine. It worked out fine, pushed it up to 150HP. Unfortunately I cracked a crank in it 40k miles later. At that point I did the whole watercooled Subaru swap. Honestly, its WAY better. The 150HP engine pushed it around just fine and was a good upgrade from stock, but it still wasn't FAST. It still lost speed up long grades, it still got passed by most things...

With the Subaru I built (I went with a turbo EJ20x, so more power than most builds) its absolutely night and day difference.
I can ACCELERATE up any grade I like in 4th gear, I don't have to downshift and floor it to maintain speed. I barely have to give it any throttle at all. Now, your usual Subaru *NON* turbo swap won't have as much pep as mine does, but its still going to be a massive change.

I don't think honestly I'd EVER reinstall a stock aircooled engine in a Vanagon. Ever. 67HP just isn't enough to push them around.




If you don't mind me asking, did you source the engine as a crate engine or pulled from exisiting subaru. Also any tips on swapping it from air cooled to the watercooled. Did you send your wiring harness out or modified it yourself?
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:14 pm    Post subject: Re: ‘82 Aircooled Westfalia Engine Upgrade/Replacement Reply with quote

l've done a few air-cooled to subaru conversions, the last one, was manual to 3 speed automatic while l was at it.
my advice, start collecting parts, keep the majority of the cooling system stock, it works, and go late model where you can.
as it was an improvement over the early stuff.
at the front you'll need
1, upper radiator mount, it'll have to be cut from a donor shell, and lower radiator mounts, and their speed nuts, or what ever they are called.
2, radiator, there are different quality ones out there, ones an inch thick, the other an inch and a half.
3, 1987 and newer 70amp fan, shroud, and it's wiring harness, relay and 2 speed resistor.
4, late model front heater assembly, replace the fan, and heater matrix and the valve
5, stainless coolant pipes, l prefer the RMW pipes over the rest, if you are doing a conversion order the syncro / conversion pipes, they also have a stainless pipe that goes from the thermostat housing up to meet their pipe.
6, late model instrument cluster with a tachometer, you will also need the #42 relay for it's warning of an empty cooling system, and over heating, l did one where the owner wanted his stock cluster, and had me put in 2 gauge pod so he could have oil pressure and temp, coolant temp and a tachometer, it cost him more $ than a late model cluster, and it looked too busy.
7, now, with double the horsy powers, if there's an unknown issue with your transmission, it'll find it.
l recommend a rebuild, while the van is down, rather than waiting until the conversion is running.
and my preference l'd convert to a late model transmission, for ease of the conversion if nothing else, the kennedy intake boot for an aircooled, l think must be more restrictive than the later water cooled ones.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 8:32 pm    Post subject: Re: ‘82 Aircooled Westfalia Engine Upgrade/Replacement Reply with quote

rolis17 wrote:
GoEverywhere wrote:
I've got experience doing both. When I bought my '80 I blew the original motor a week later and had to replace it. I swapped it for an upgraded aircooled engine. It worked out fine, pushed it up to 150HP. Unfortunately I cracked a crank in it 40k miles later. At that point I did the whole watercooled Subaru swap. Honestly, its WAY better. The 150HP engine pushed it around just fine and was a good upgrade from stock, but it still wasn't FAST. It still lost speed up long grades, it still got passed by most things...

With the Subaru I built (I went with a turbo EJ20x, so more power than most builds) its absolutely night and day difference.
I can ACCELERATE up any grade I like in 4th gear, I don't have to downshift and floor it to maintain speed. I barely have to give it any throttle at all. Now, your usual Subaru *NON* turbo swap won't have as much pep as mine does, but its still going to be a massive change.

I don't think honestly I'd EVER reinstall a stock aircooled engine in a Vanagon. Ever. 67HP just isn't enough to push them around.




If you don't mind me asking, did you source the engine as a crate engine or pulled from exisiting subaru. Also any tips on swapping it from air cooled to the watercooled. Did you send your wiring harness out or modified it yourself?



I sourced it as a crate engine, the EJ20x (2.0L turbo) I used is a little bit of an oddball, its from a Japanese market WRX STi or Legacy GT and was never used here in the States. Due to some weird emissions laws in Japan they can be had here in the US for crazy cheap with no more than 60k miles on them, so I imported one.

I actually NEITHER sent out OR modified my harness, I was running a Megasquirt standalone ECU on my built aircooled, so I re-wired and reprogrammed it for the new engine and kept using it. This is the most flexible way to run any engine but if you're not a super gearhead they can be really complicated to get going.

Get the Aircooled radiator mount from somewhere like Vancafe. Its much easier than trying to cut it outa a later van.

You can save some money by NOT doing things like the reversed cooling manifold or the low profile oil pan and exhaust, but make sure you understand the good/bad of those choices. I opted to not do either, but there can be reasons they're a good idea (If you're worried about ground clearance for example).

I used the Rocky Mountain Westy transmission adapter and cradle. I felt it was one of the better engineered kits as it has more frame mounting points than some of the others or the stock mounts. But this requires some drilling and such that make it slightly more complicated to install. This kit also required relocating the transmission 2 inches forward. They have an adapter plate that makes that easy, but the gotcha is that you need to lengthen the shifter linkage by 2 inches also which is a little tricky. I'm not sure if the other kits have that requirement, so be aware.

If you use the later model coolant pipes you will have to cut the holes through the frame larger. Its not a big deal, but the holes in the frame only fit the early (1.9 WBX style) coolant pipes. The later ones are steel, its worth the effort.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 25, 2024 9:57 pm    Post subject: Re: ‘82 Aircooled Westfalia Engine Upgrade/Replacement Reply with quote

note that the OP is in Berkley, l assume california, so he needs to be CARB compliant, that puts a big hole in most plans, only conversions l know of that are CARB legal, is the EJ22 from kennedy, and the 1.8t, from SAH, l don't think anyone else has the EO to run a conversion.

GoEverywhere wrote:

With the Subaru I built (I went with a turbo EJ20x, so more power than most builds) its absolutely night and day difference.
I can ACCELERATE up any grade I like in 4th gear, I don't have to downshift and floor it to maintain speed. I barely have to give it any throttle at all. Now, your usual Subaru *NON* turbo swap won't have as much pep as mine does, but its still going to be a massive change.

I don't think honestly I'd EVER reinstall a stock aircooled engine in a Vanagon. Ever. 67HP just isn't enough to push them around.






I sourced it as a crate engine, the EJ20x (2.0L turbo) I used is a little bit of an oddball, its from a Japanese market WRX STi or Legacy GT and was never used here in the States. Due to some weird emissions laws in Japan they can be had here in the US for crazy cheap with no more than 60k miles on them, so I imported one.

I actually NEITHER sent out OR modified my harness, I was running a Megasquirt standalone ECU on my built aircooled, so I re-wired and reprogrammed it for the new engine and kept using it. This is the most flexible way to run any engine but if you're not a super gearhead they can be really complicated to get going.

Get the Aircooled radiator mount from somewhere like Vancafe. Its much easier than trying to cut it outa a later van.

You can save some money by NOT doing things like the reversed cooling manifold or the low profile oil pan and exhaust, but make sure you understand the good/bad of those choices. I opted to not do either, but there can be reasons they're a good idea (If you're worried about ground clearance for example).

I used the Rocky Mountain Westy transmission adapter and cradle. I felt it was one of the better engineered kits as it has more frame mounting points than some of the others or the stock mounts. But this requires some drilling and such that make it slightly more complicated to install. This kit also required relocating the transmission 2 inches forward. They have an adapter plate that makes that easy, but the gotcha is that you need to lengthen the shifter linkage by 2 inches also which is a little tricky. I'm not sure if the other kits have that requirement, so be aware.

If you use the later model coolant pipes you will have to cut the holes through the frame larger. Its not a big deal, but the holes in the frame only fit the early (1.9 WBX style) coolant pipes. The later ones are steel, its worth the effort.[/quote]
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 26, 2024 7:38 am    Post subject: Re: ‘82 Aircooled Westfalia Engine Upgrade/Replacement Reply with quote

markswagen wrote:
note that the OP is in Berkley, l assume california, so he needs to be CARB compliant, that puts a big hole in most plans, only conversions l know of that are CARB legal, is the EJ22 from kennedy, and the 1.8t, from SAH, l don't think anyone else has the EO to run a conversion.


Ohh, yeah good catch. CARB compliance severely limits you to basically two swaps of very specific engines and years like Markswagen said. If you have to comply with CARB regulations, be careful on the parts you select or you won't pass!
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