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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:23 am    Post subject: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. Reply with quote

Seems to me...

90% of people can take something completely apart. 10% or less can put it back together.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:24 am    Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. Reply with quote

So whats the point of this topic?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:35 am    Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. Reply with quote

Glenn wrote:
So what's the point of this topic?


I'm challenging my own perceptions. For example like most people I consider myself to be "average". I've been taking Volkswagens apart and putting them back together for goin' on 50 years. If I'm "average" everyone should be able to do that. I shouldn't be surprised it's not so.

Clint Eastwood said, "A man has to know his limits." It's likely Clint Eastwood said that because that's what the script said. Near as I can tell it's part of his Dirty Harry / "Do you fell lucky, punk?" schtick.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:43 am    Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. Reply with quote

As it relates to VWs, it would be great if we knew how much things cost and how much effort is involved from the get- go. Some of us know this 'cuz we're been there. As it relates to VWs, I bought my first two aircooled VWs on the same day many decades ago. I bought a Bug and a Ghia. I figured body and paint would cost $300. After all, I always repaired farm machinery on the super cheap. Read that as "no budget". The parents especially my old may though farming would be preferable to bein' a starving artist.

I still l have that first Bug. The Ghia is long gone.

Took me a dozen more Bugs to acquire an accurate point of reference. Still workin' on that, obviously.


Glenn... if you think there's no point you can always use your magic wand and make this disappear. Cool

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:55 am    Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. Reply with quote

if you dont try you will never succeed ? im a trier .
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 12:09 pm    Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. Reply with quote

Dusty1 wrote:
Seems to me...

90% of people can take something completely apart. 10% or less can put it back together.

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I doubt that 90% can take stuff completely apart now days. Working with tools is becoming a lost art. From what I see, few men in their 20s even know how to change their engine oil. Many dont even think to oil a squeeky hinge. I have seen dudes try to loosen lug nuts, but they were instead tightening them, they had no clue which way to turn them, and that was after the two of them had raised the car up on a flimsy jack, the whole car teetering on the verge of falling over as he kept trying to loosen the nuts the wrong way. When I helped, advising to lower the car on the ground, and told them which direction to turn the nuts, he struggled to loosen the nuts the right way as he pulled up on the wrench handle, then I suggested he reorientate the handle 180 degrees so he could use his foot, and gravity to assist in the loosening.
I was dumbfounded, and amazed at these two dudes, both highly educated, in their fifties that live near me ( college degree), but totally clueless as to how to remove a tire.
We are fucked, the future is terrifying, the can do attitude, competence is slipping away rapidly. People have become helpless Society is rapidly devolving, down the drain. The end is near.


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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 12:10 pm    Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. Reply with quote

Dusty1 wrote:
Glenn wrote:
So what's the point of this topic?


I'm challenging my own perceptions. For example like most people I consider myself to be "average". I've been taking Volkswagens apart and putting them back together for goin' on 50 years. If I'm "average" everyone should be able to do that. I shouldn't be surprised it's not so.

Clint Eastwood said, "A man has to know his limits." It's likely Clint Eastwood said that because that's what the script said. Near as I can tell it's part of his Dirty Harry / "Do you fell lucky, punk?" schtick.

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I've been taking things apart since I was a toddler. At 13 I replaced the exhaust and clutch on my dad's 63 Beetle. These days i'm building AC VW engines for my friend's shop customers.

My son didn't show any mechanical ability until high school when he got a job at a bicycle shop. At 17 he came home with a carbon fiber bike so I bought him a torque wrench. Now he owns a home and has fixed his electric dryer, electric stove and done some plumbing.

My new son-in-law just bought a house and is clueless when it comes to anything mechanical. Looks like i'll be spending a lot of time fixing things. I told him to find a good handyman and put his number on speed dial.

Point is kids these days ave a different skill set. When we were building push karts and working with their hands, kids today are playing video games. This this is a skill in high demand in the military and many industries.

This is why auto mechanics, electricians and plumbers are in high demand and can make a good living.

Trade school can give you more earning potential than college.

Now.. I see the point of this topic.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 12:11 pm    Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. Reply with quote

l'd like to add.
''just because you can, doesn't mean you should''
l work for some folk who have no business tinkering, and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a wrench, as they had previously done damage to their pride and joy, because they'd looked on youtube or what ever, and seen it doesn't look a ''difficult'' task.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 12:15 pm    Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. Reply with quote

markswagen wrote:
l'd like to add.
''just because you can, doesn't mean you should''
l work for some folk who have no business tinkering, and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a wrench, as they had previously done damage to their pride and joy, because they'd looked on youtube or what ever, and seen it doesn't look a ''difficult'' task.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 12:36 pm    Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. Reply with quote

I'll admit to bein' part of the 10% who can get things 90% done most of the time. That extra 10% or maybe even the last 1% can be a real bitch.

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:19 pm    Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. Reply with quote

the couple who bought my flat phoned me the other day to ask how to shut the water off. I had left them a note saying the stop cock was under the sink but that obviously wasn't clear enough...
so with a bit more info, basically 'it's the big brass tap under the sink' we're getting somewhere. then I said 'turn it clockwise' and this was a novel concept to these digital folk! Rolling Eyes
they are neither stupid nor very young (mid thirties) but have just led a different life from me.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:31 pm    Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. Reply with quote

my grampa was a real JOKER we would go into a hardware store and see the NEW young kid working there . he would ask "do you have any sky hooks ?" Huh ? the kid would say . ya know the things that hold up ladders while your painting outside ???HUh !! ok, then do you have any Lamp Black ??? he would have the kid scratching his head , then he would make this wild CAT sound with his mouth when they wernt looking and ask em if they heard that ??? he would have em looking under stuff for the cat that wasent there .......it got embarrassing going places with him LOL but im laughing about now .

somehow this thread made me think of him .
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 1:42 pm    Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. Reply with quote

zerotofifty wrote:

I doubt that 90% can take stuff completely apart now days.


They can. But it's usually quick, and unintentional.




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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 2:24 pm    Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. Reply with quote

it's not often l have a failure to get something back together, my most recent expensive failure was my syncro speedometer Sad
it was knocked off of a table while had it apart, it ended up in even smaller pieces.
a $200 failure.
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 2:28 pm    Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. Reply with quote

finster wrote:
the couple who bought my flat phoned me the other day to ask how to shut the water off. I had left them a note saying the stop cock was under the sink but that obviously wasn't clear enough...


My late brother had a Subaru with a flat spot on its flywheel. He had to rock the car back and forth to get it off its flat spot.

He loaned it to my aging mother who of course had problems starting it.

Bro told her,

"Just push it back and forth!"

He got the car back with a big dent in the driver's side fender. My mother pushed the car side to side rather than back and forth.

Tough old lady, eh?

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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 6:05 pm    Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. Reply with quote

markswagen wrote:
l'd like to add.
''just because you can, doesn't mean you should''
l work for some folk who have no business tinkering, and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a wrench, as they had previously done damage to their pride and joy, because they'd looked on youtube or what ever, and seen it doesn't look a ''difficult'' task.


That's weird since I've watched some YouTube videos for stuff I had no idea how to fix and everything worked great.

But I probably have a certain base level knowledge of how to fix random stuff.

Plus I'd rather fuck up and do it twice than pay someone in a lot of cases, haha

I have screwed up and tried to loosen "reverse threaded" things the wrong way a few times.
Especially if the thing is upside down at the time.
Why won't it loosen?!?!? Ooops, I'm turning it the wrong way LOL
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 6:06 pm    Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. Reply with quote

Dusty1 wrote:
Seems to me...

90% of people can take something completely apart. 10% or less can put it back together.

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And fewer still can get it to work as well or better than it did before they messed with it in the first place. Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 7:27 pm    Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. Reply with quote

If it has nuts, bolts, screws, snap rings or … if I can add them after the fact, it will get fixed. If it has a keyboard… I’m screwed!
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 7:48 pm    Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. Reply with quote

oprn wrote:
If it has nuts, bolts, screws, snap rings or … if I can add them after the fact, it will get fixed. If it has a keyboard… I’m screwed!

I can do both Wink
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 9:05 pm    Post subject: Re: 90% of people can take something entirely apart. Reply with quote

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markswagen wrote:
l'd like to add.
''just because you can, doesn't mean you should''
l work for some folk who have no business tinkering, and shouldn't be allowed anywhere near a wrench, as they had previously done damage to their pride and joy, because they'd looked on youtube or what ever, and seen it doesn't look a ''difficult'' task.


That's weird since I've watched some YouTube videos for stuff I had no idea how to fix and everything worked great.

But I probably have a certain base level knowledge of how to fix random stuff.

Plus I'd rather fuck up and do it twice than pay someone in a lot of cases, haha


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