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DerrickfromNC1 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2025 12:02 pm Post subject: Go to Torque Wrench |
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A friend of mine called me & said he was reinstalling a sump on his engine to fix a nagging leak. I recommended a thread here on the samba that talks about various sealants used in conjunction with the standard gasket for a leak free seal. He called later to say his click style torque wrench wasn’t clicking and he was afraid of stripping out the studs/case. He said it was a 0-100ft/lb torque wrench. I told him not to use that for a application only requiring 5ft/lb and that he should get a 1/4” drive in/lb torque wrench with a range of around 0-100in/lb and set it to 60in/lbs. Harbor Freight has one.
This got me to thinking that I probably need a better torque wrench for torquing heads down. The following is what I have:
It has a 0-140ft/lb range.
What are you using with an optimal range for torquing heads?
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bedlamite Samba Member
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DerrickfromNC1 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2025 1:02 pm Post subject: Re: Go to Torque Wrench |
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Good info there however the range on those torque wrenches are 25-250ft/lbs. VW heads are 18ft/lbs for 8mm head studs & 23ft/lbs for10mm head studs. I think 0-100ft/lbs would be more accurate & provide all the range needed for our motors minus the glandnut and the small 6mm studs for the drain plate. |
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Glenn  Mr. 010

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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2025 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: Go to Torque Wrench |
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No one size fits all
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Schepp Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2025 1:04 pm Post subject: Re: Go to Torque Wrench |
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At first I started with what I could afford which was Harbor Freight, before they started making decent quality tools. Now I have a couple Proto clickers which I like.
As with many things the clicker type wrenches require finesse. The feel of the "click" can easily be over-come and passed if you're not careful. |
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Cusser Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2025 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: Go to Torque Wrench |
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I have a 1/4" inch/lb dial one like OP's design, and a 3/4 " drive 900 ft/lb 4 foot monstrosity , and a 3/8" split beam that I use for 95% of everything.
if you've never used a split beam, they're pretty cool. id never but my tool guy sold me on this one. nice simple thumb scroll adjustment on the side and you don't have to turn it back to 0 all the time.
https://torqwrench.com/products/split-beam-clicks/...C5_EqhBcyU
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bedlamite Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2025 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Go to Torque Wrench |
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DerrickfromNC1 wrote: |
Good info there however the range on those torque wrenches are 25-250ft/lbs. VW heads are 18ft/lbs for 8mm head studs & 23ft/lbs for10mm head studs. I think 0-100ft/lbs would be more accurate & provide all the range needed for our motors minus the glandnut and the small 6mm studs for the drain plate. |
It may not exactly apply to what you wanted, but the brands mentioned are going to be similar across different torque ranges.
0-100 ft-lbs is not going to happen. you may find 20-100 or 5-20 though, and they are generally considered accurate from 20-80% of their range.
I've also found it useful to have a digital torque adapter on hand too, they are available for $30-60. Set it to peak hold, and it's easy to double check all your torque wrenches. If they all match, you're probably good. |
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DerrickfromNC1 Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2025 10:16 pm Post subject: Re: Go to Torque Wrench |
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I think I’m gonna go with this:
https://www.harborfreight.com/38-in-drive-59-to-59-ft-lb-digital-torque-adapter-58705.html
It has a 5.9-59ft/lb range & an accuracy of +/-2%. Digital, LED, and audible. They also have a 1/2” drive version with a 50-250ft/lb and a 3/4” drive 250-750ft/lb.
+/-2% accuracy exceeds that of dial or click type torque wrenches. The only problem I see would be using it in tight spaces. |
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jim martin Samba Member
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Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2025 11:13 pm Post subject: Re: Go to Torque Wrench |
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I have quite a few collected over the years .
Currently using 1/4, 3/8 and 1/2 inch in snap on digital and the same in your standard adjustable handle clicker style . There are pros and cons to each . Digital are great for increasing your productivity as you can switch between countless preset torques and angle of rotation with a quick push of the button and most now have like a flex head ratchet a small amount of movement. But for repeat torques I still prefer clicker as they are almost dead on every time .
A good example for air cooled motors are the heads . If you have the same technique and pull speed it will click at the same breaking point but ,with a digital as you get close to your torque the led’s are changing red yellow and almost green you slow down on your torque speed . That’s friction and your final torque can be off. _________________ B.C's fastest street legal vw , June 2006 Hot VW's feature car 9.81 sec at 145.26mph.
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oprn Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2025 4:46 am Post subject: Re: Go to Torque Wrench |
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The electricians in the shop I used to work at would send their torque wrenches in for a yearly calibration. Anyone know what that involves? How often they are found to be in error? How to adjust them? _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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runamoc  Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2025 8:57 am Post subject: Re: Go to Torque Wrench |
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Back in the day this is all that I could afford. I've now got others made by different places but I find using a 'torque calibrator' makes even the cheap ones accurate.
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jim martin Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2025 9:45 am Post subject: Re: Go to Torque Wrench |
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oprn wrote: |
The electricians in the shop I used to work at would send their torque wrenches in for a yearly calibration. Anyone know what that involves? How often they are found to be in error? How to adjust them? |
We have the equipment for this . We used to follow all the ISO protocols and basically a mobile test lab / truck would come in and test any equipment used for final assembly.
First a torque wrench it’s test in lowest , mid and upper range and if it’s out like 3-5% they would adjust them . Clickers use shims and electric are self calibrated.
We have the bench mounted ISO large face torque gauge you install whatever size adapter say 3/8 and use a steady speed and push down till it releases , simple .
I use this every time I do VW engine work to make sure I get the feel and speed I like . My snap on units have never been out .but they are way to expensive these days.
Lots can be learned using this test gauge . _________________ B.C's fastest street legal vw , June 2006 Hot VW's feature car 9.81 sec at 145.26mph.
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chrisflstf Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2025 10:31 am Post subject: Re: Go to Torque Wrench |
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The lower torque settings, like 10 ft lb and below have a much less discernable "click" feeling. And can be easily over powered. |
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Glenn  Mr. 010

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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2025 10:48 am Post subject: Re: Go to Torque Wrench |
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chrisflstf wrote: |
The lower torque settings, like 10 ft lb and below have a much less discernable "click" feeling. And can be easily over powered. |
Which is why you want a smaller one.
Most tell you they are less accurate at the extremes. _________________ Glenn
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oprn Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2025 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Go to Torque Wrench |
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I have a Snap-on 30 - 200 click type that doesn't always click especially at the low end. I kind of go by feel, if it doesn't click when I think it should I back it off and go again. It misses about every 6th time or so. _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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RickS Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2025 11:21 am Post subject: Re: Go to Torque Wrench |
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A Torque wrench is never supposed to be used below 20% of its rated maximum. Like Glenn said, that is why you need more than one. |
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jim martin Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2025 8:45 pm Post subject: Re: Go to Torque Wrench |
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oprn wrote: |
I have a Snap-on 30 - 200 click type that doesn't always click especially at the low end. I kind of go by feel, if it doesn't click when I think it should I back it off and go again. It misses about every 6th time or so. |
You are using a 1/2 torque wrench to torque 30 lbs .
You need more tools . I would use that in the 100 range .
Like I said read the iso test I listed above for text reference. If it’s listed it must work .if not accurate buy better tools .
I would recommend using tools within the middle range requirements.
For vw heads i torque to 32 lbs I use my 3/8 which is range 15-55 or 60 ftlbs , double checked on my iso gauge , no issues alway accurate and even i very speed it’s almost the same every time. _________________ B.C's fastest street legal vw , June 2006 Hot VW's feature car 9.81 sec at 145.26mph.
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oprn Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2025 6:54 am Post subject: Re: Go to Torque Wrench |
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Yes I hear you and do have torque wrenches with lower ranges but this one does miss on occasion even at mid range. Maybe it is just worn. It seems worse of I don't support the head and it gets a bit of a side twist as a result.
What I am saying is it's a two hand operation, one hand on the head to keep it from cocking sideways even a little bit. _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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runamoc  Samba Member

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Posted: Wed Sep 10, 2025 7:40 am Post subject: Re: Go to Torque Wrench |
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torque wrench to torque |
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