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NJ John Samba Member

Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2812 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2025 4:45 pm Post subject: VW things to ponder in 2025 |
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We have the samba for information, conversation and classifieds. Thank you!
We a few hardcore companies still developing new products for our old cars. Our hobby is very specific and it’s amazing that businesses big and small are still dedicated to it.
We have HotVW’s magazine as well as other over seas ones. Many other car magazines are disappearing or switching to quarterly.
We have a huge surplus of used parts, parts cars, drivers, beaters, junkyards, hoarders and show cars.
I guess these are just some of the things I think we should realize and be thankful for. Feel free to add your thoughts.
Happy New Year! _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
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oprn Samba Member

Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 14589 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2025 5:07 pm Post subject: Re: VW things to ponder in 2025 |
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If we were to take an age survey I am thinking that there are more of us close to or past our "best before date" of 3 score and ten. I for one am thankful to have enough physical and mental capacity yet to enjoy this hobby.
How many of us still will have by the end of the year? Not all of us for sure...
Happy New Year and make the most of each day! _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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iowegian  Samba Curmudgeon

Joined: February 16, 2005 Posts: 9937 Location: Somewhere between Dubuque and Keokuk
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Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2025 6:53 pm Post subject: Re: VW things to ponder in 2025 |
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oprn wrote: |
If we were to take an age survey I am thinking that there are more of us close to or past our "best before date" of 3 score and ten. I for one am thankful to have enough physical and mental capacity yet to enjoy this hobby.
How many of us still will have by the end of the year? Not all of us for sure...
Happy New Year and make the most of each day! |
Remember when we thought it was remarkable that "Tom-Tom" the 80 year old guy in Moab Utah was still loving VW's?????
Now----here we are. |
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zerotofifty Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2003 Posts: 3532
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Posted: Wed Jan 01, 2025 8:55 pm Post subject: Re: VW things to ponder in 2025 |
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Many of my VW's are near as old as I am. I have owned one of them for 45 years now. I have been into VWs since Carter was President and now he is dead and he lived to be 100. Let that sink in. Yikes!!!! I have been a Hot VW's and Dune Buggy subscriber for 45 years now. I believe I have every single back issue still. Although a few might have been misplaced. My most recent renewal is $65.93 It was a lot less money 45 years ago! I sued to see the magazine in the racks at the grocery store, but not no more.
My Hot VW's and Dune Buggies subscription....In todays money, 45 years times $65.93 per year is $2,966.85 That is a lot in subscriptions. 45 x 12 issues per year is 540 issues!!!
I also had VW Trends but they went out of business long ago. |
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dennismcd707  Samba Member

Joined: October 09, 2017 Posts: 545 Location: Burbs of Detroit
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:06 am Post subject: Re: VW things to ponder in 2025 |
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Here's something I've been thinking about lately. I'm unsure of how much longer I'm going to be able to take my tires on and off my 71 SB. I'm already struggling at 62 years old, sitting on the ground "Indian style", holding the wheel with one hand, and using my foot/knee to balance the tire on, to move it around while my free hand is trying to thread the lug bolts. I already suffer from chronic back problems, so I just love doing this when I have to.
I don't know, maybe a couple more years of twisting my spine in funky positions, we'll see, but I know that my VW is still fun to own, maintain, and most importantly.............. drive! As soon as I can't maintain or drive my car anymore, it'll be time to say goodbye, but it won't be in 2025. I'm still functioning ok, and so is my Bug. _________________ 1971 Super Beetle, 1776, dual Weber's, roller crank, modified large valve heads on match ported intakes, 9.2 to 1 compression, close ratio trans, lowered suspension, 4 wheel disc brakes, truss bar and other goodies. Car has over 370,000 actual miles, and counting. (RIP 1970 Beetle/Baja, 1986 GTI, 1999 Jetta, 2002 Jetta) |
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zerotofifty Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2003 Posts: 3532
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2025 11:47 am Post subject: Re: VW things to ponder in 2025 |
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dennismcd707 wrote: |
Here's something I've been thinking about lately. I'm unsure of how much longer I'm going to be able to take my tires on and off my 71 SB. I'm already struggling at 62 years old, sitting on the ground "Indian style", holding the wheel with one hand, and using my foot/knee to balance the tire on, to move it around while my free hand is trying to thread the lug bolts. I already suffer from chronic back problems, so I just love doing this when I have to.
I don't know, maybe a couple more years of twisting my spine in funky positions, we'll see, but I know that my VW is still fun to own, maintain, and most importantly.............. drive! As soon as I can't maintain or drive my car anymore, it'll be time to say goodbye, but it won't be in 2025. I'm still functioning ok, and so is my Bug. |
These tire hangers are the bomb, make tire install and removal so much easier. A friend bought me one some years ago, so handy.
Give it a go, you will really like it I think.
https://www.amazon.com/Steel-Wheel-Hanger-Automotive-Volkswagen/dp/B00MWAQGSQ?th=1 |
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NJ John Samba Member

Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2812 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2025 1:34 pm Post subject: Re: VW things to ponder in 2025 |
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I was going to suggest tire hangers, also. Although I don’t have one.
I really haven’t followed cars in the $20k plus range. I kinda seems they aren’t moving that well. Cars on oldbug.com seem to be not really selling fast. I’m not In the market, so not a good source of info.
I don’t know. Just looking forward to more comments. _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
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Cusser Samba Member

Joined: October 02, 2006 Posts: 32880 Location: Hot Arizona
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2025 5:59 pm Post subject: Re: VW things to ponder in 2025 |
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I went to Ace Hardware and bought a 14mm x 1.5mm bolt, cut the hex head off with a hacksaw, and sawed a slit there for a flat-bladed screwdriver. So mine just looks like a 14mm x 1.5mm stud with a screwdriver slot. _________________ 1970 VW (owned since 1972) and 1971 VW Convertible (owned since 1976), second owner of each. The '71 now has the 1835 engine, swapped from the '70. Second owner of each. 1988 Mazda B2200 truck, 1998 Frontier, 2014 Yukon, 2004 Frontier King Cab. All manual transmission except for the Yukon. http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335294 http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/album_page.php?pic_id=335297 |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist

Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13674 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2025 7:08 pm Post subject: Re: VW things to ponder in 2025 |
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oprn wrote: |
If we were to take an age survey I am thinking that there are more of us close to or past our "best before date" of 3 score and ten. I for one am thankful to have enough physical and mental capacity yet to enjoy this hobby.
How many of us still will have by the end of the year? Not all of us for sure...
Happy New Year and make the most of each day! |
The big question for our hobby is when will the interest in these old, air cooled VW's really start to drop off? As you mention, lots of folks of the generation of these cars when they were new are passing away or have already. Their kids (like me) still have strong attachments to these cars due to our parents or childhoods. Lots of us drove these VW's as our first cars when they were handed down in the 1970's and 80's. I know lots of members on The Samba over the past 20 years that grew old and passed on. I think the average age of folks on the Samba is over 50.
We may have an advantage as these VW's are so cult like. Even teens and 20 somethings today get excited seeing an old bug or bus on the road.
Every generation that was emotionally attached to their era cars passes on and the value of them drop off dramatically. Think model A's, etc.
I remember back in the 1970's/80's when there were still tons of VW air cooled repair shops and parts houses. Most are gone now.
Myself and others in this VW business "think" there maybe another ten years left before we start seeing a big decline in the interest and values of these cars. I hope I'm wrong.  _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
Follow me on instagram @sparxwerksllc
40+ years of VW repair, and VW parts and vehicle restoration experience.
The Samba member since 2004.
**Now rebuilding throttle bodies for VW's and Porsche's**
**Restored German Bosch distributors for sale or I can restore yours**
**Restored German Pierburg fuel pumps for sale or I can restore yours**
**Restored Porsche fuel pumps or I can restore yours**
**Restored Porsche distributors or I can restore yours** |
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skills@eurocarsplus Samba Peckerhead

Joined: January 01, 2007 Posts: 17782 Location: sticksville, ct.
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2025 8:19 pm Post subject: Re: VW things to ponder in 2025 |
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wcfvw69 wrote: |
Myself and others in this VW business "think" there maybe another ten years left before we start seeing a big decline in the interest and values of these cars. I hope I'm wrong.  |
that's going to come down to disposable cash and a place to work on/store them
and having someone attached to mechanical things and not a tablet
Not sure what 2025 is going to bring. I could drop dead tomorrow, any one of us could. The last few years I have been working on simplifying my life...after deaths in the family/family members having failing health I've decided that I want to debulk.
a year or so ago I made an observation at a show.... almost everyone there was old...white haired cane wielding wheelchair bound folks...even the watercooled guys were "old" and I'd say 1/2 or better had for sale signs in the window....
so, who knows. IIRC the owner of west coast metric died in '24. we're all getting closer to the end of the ride _________________
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my reason for switching to subaru is my german car was turning chinese so i said fuck it and went japanese....... |
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Thanks for the correction. I used to be a nice guy, then I ruined it by exposing myself to the public. |
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Also the fact that people are agreeing with Skills, it's a turn of events for samba history |
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zerotofifty Samba Member
Joined: December 27, 2003 Posts: 3532
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Posted: Thu Jan 02, 2025 10:59 pm Post subject: Re: VW things to ponder in 2025 |
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A big sell off, a drop in prices will mean that I will be able to afford that 23 window deluxe Bus, or that 1958 low light convertible Ghia, or that split window Bug. If I live that long  |
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Manfred58sc Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2009 Posts: 3462
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 3:43 am Post subject: Re: VW things to ponder in 2025 |
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Old and in the way...maybe.My big fear is getting parts where they need to go. Greyhound killing package express has made it very expensive to ship large items. Thus many possible drivers end up being scrapped or ignored. If usps get sold ( ie killed) then its lights out. I think the parts crisis will kill the old car hobby long before interest wanes. Will I be able to fix my bus on the side of the road if there is a breakdown?? just hit 60. I really don't know. _________________ Fat chick owner/operator |
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Abscate  Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 23646 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 5:09 am Post subject: Re: VW things to ponder in 2025 |
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Manfred58sc wrote: |
Old and in the way...maybe.My big fear is getting parts where they need to go. Greyhound killing package express has made it very expensive to ship large items. Thus many possible drivers end up being scrapped or ignored. If usps get sold ( ie killed) then its lights out. I think the parts crisis will kill the old car hobby long before interest wanes. Will I be able to fix my bus on the side of the road if there is a breakdown?? just hit 60. I really don't know. |
Its easier to ship stuff now that it ever was. There is a mentality that a $50 part should only cost $5 to ship which is just stupidity. You can move an entire car from CA to NY for $1000 if you are flexible. Big parts you can move with Fastenall, too. When you need a large item, use your own travel and show schedule to make those logistics work. Ive daisy chained transmissions, seats, engines from all over the US to NY for the price of favours. _________________ 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🍊 🍊 🍊 |
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wcfvw69 Samba Purist

Joined: June 10, 2004 Posts: 13674 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 5:37 am Post subject: Re: VW things to ponder in 2025 |
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skills@eurocarsplus wrote: |
wcfvw69 wrote: |
Myself and others in this VW business "think" there maybe another ten years left before we start seeing a big decline in the interest and values of these cars. I hope I'm wrong.  |
a year or so ago I made an observation at a show.... almost everyone there was old...white haired cane wielding wheelchair bound folks...even the watercooled guys were "old" and I'd say 1/2 or better had for sale signs in the window....
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It seems like kids from the past 20 years in particular are just not into mechanical things, do it yourself projects or cars. They don't want to get their hands dirty which is why all the blue collar trades are suffering a shortage of workers. I have a 30 YO future son in law who's a waiter at a couple restaurants. He's good guy but behind the scenes we wonder why he doesn't find a career to provide more income for his family. He's a blue collar guy who could make a lot of money in a trade. In my last career, finding and hiring mechanics had been a challenge for the past 35 years.
So, to your point Don, as the generation/s of folks into VW's die off, so does the interest and value of them. This is going to happen to the whole collector car hobby. The last VW show I went to was clearly a 50 and older crowd as well. My boys don't have any real interest in my VW's. I know lots of VW friends who say the same about their kids lack of interest in their cars too. _________________ Contact me at [email protected]
Follow me on instagram @sparxwerksllc
40+ years of VW repair, and VW parts and vehicle restoration experience.
The Samba member since 2004.
**Now rebuilding throttle bodies for VW's and Porsche's**
**Restored German Bosch distributors for sale or I can restore yours**
**Restored German Pierburg fuel pumps for sale or I can restore yours**
**Restored Porsche fuel pumps or I can restore yours**
**Restored Porsche distributors or I can restore yours** |
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oprn Samba Member

Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 14589 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 6:05 am Post subject: Re: VW things to ponder in 2025 |
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This may be the last year my wife can get in and out of our street Buggy. She no longer wants to ride in the sand rail, has trouble getting in and out of any car to be frank.
We have 4 children, 2 of them would be interested in the street Buggy to drive but none of them would be capable of anything beyond oil changes. One of them does not have the income to support it, the other's spouse does not want anything to do with it.
I will likely keep it for a year or two more incase surgery is an option for the missus but I have found that any car not used is a burden. They deteriorate faster sitting it seems and you have to keep the mice out. That's why I finally sold Dad's '69 Bay Window... _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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vwracerdave Samba Member

Joined: November 11, 2004 Posts: 15598 Location: Deep in the 405
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:12 am Post subject: Re: VW things to ponder in 2025 |
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The older I get the easier it is to throw shit away. The older I get the less junk I want around me. I am not broke and if I can't get at least $25 for it then in the trash it goes. Everything fits inside my 2 car garage, nothing laying around in the driveway or yard. There are not gonna be any more "projects" in my life. I'll keep what I got running, but I'm getting rid of any parts that do not fit on a VW I have. Having said all that, I still want to go racing.
Hoarding is a mental illness.
Humans are attached to material objects. Humans have way too much emotional attachment to family heirlooms. Humans have a very difficult time letting go of mom & dads things, even when they have no use for them.
Hoarding is a mental illness.
I've seen many times the results when a senior family member dies and the family has to deal with cleaning up the estate that they know nothing about. _________________ 2017 Street Comp Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble, OK
2010 Sportsman ET Champion - Mid-America Dragway - Arkansas City, KS
1997 Sportsman ET Champion - Thunder Valley Raceway Park - Noble ,OK
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KTPhil  Samba Member

Joined: April 06, 2006 Posts: 35730 Location: Conejo Valley, CA
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 10:25 am Post subject: Re: VW things to ponder in 2025 |
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vwracerdave wrote: |
The older I get the easier it is to throw shit away. The older I get the less junk I want around me. I am not broke and if I can't get at least $25 for it then in the trash it goes. Everything fits inside my 2 car garage, nothing laying around in the driveway or yard. There are not gonna be any more "projects" in my life. I'll keep what I got running, but I'm getting rid of any parts that do not fit on a VW I have. Having said all that, I still want to go racing.
Hoarding is a mental illness.
I've seen many times the results of a senior family member dying and the family has to deal with cleaning up the estate they know nothing about. |
This is the state I aspire to. After restoring two vehicles to a nominal state, I need to purge. I'll send the useful shit to fellow VW club members, but the rest is really junk. I have a lot of work to do to get there, though! _________________ Current Fleet:
- '71 Fastback
- '69 Westfalia
Retired:
- '67 Beetle
- '65 Beetle (x2)
- '65 Bus
- '71 Squareback |
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NJ John Samba Member

Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2812 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 12:07 pm Post subject: Re: VW things to ponder in 2025 |
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I moved homes twice and out of a large commercial garge since 2000. So my stash has shrunk. But, I’m still holding to certain items for that sweep the floor build, or something. I picked up a chopped roof project bug last year. It needs a lot, I’ll be 59 in March. Crossing fingers.
I do think that people that held into their real Empi, Speedwell, Deano and the like have missed the boat. There’s less and less people interested in that stuff. Some ads have been up on here for 10 plus years. _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
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2type2 Samba Member
Joined: June 02, 2002 Posts: 1146 Location: SW Colorado
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 1:31 pm Post subject: Re: VW things to ponder in 2025 |
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I have 71 bug and a 66 bus, thought I was done and would be happy to just work on them, drive them and improve on them.Then I realized how much time I have available, so I bought a crusty 65 bug project that is making me happier as I go. Nobody telling me how much to spend or what or when to work on, it's glorious _________________ "A life of peace and happiness depends on your own gratefulness" |
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NJ John Samba Member

Joined: September 21, 2007 Posts: 2812 Location: HdG, MD & NJ
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Posted: Fri Jan 03, 2025 2:27 pm Post subject: Re: VW things to ponder in 2025 |
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Just got the new HVW’s magazine in the mail. The cal look issue! The cover kinda sums up what most been saying. _________________ 1973 standard, yellow, lowered, 3” narrowed front, 1600 blo-thru turbo w/single dell 15.4@86, so far
11.41 et buggy. Long gone
Let’s go O’s! Let’s go O’s!
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