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Superbj Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2022 Posts: 72 Location: Minnesota
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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 1:21 pm Post subject: Oil Bath air filter - early 73 super |
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Does anybody have a picture that illustrates the proper hook-ups for an oil bath air filter and an early 73 super? Specifically, I believe I have an original oil bath filter, and I have a 34Pict/3 carburetor. I just installed a SVDA distributor (replaced the 009) so the hook-ups are slightly different and I want to make sure I am doing it right. In my old set-up the vacuum hose on the front (rear facing) of the carburetor hooked up to the oil bath, but instructions indicate this is used when there is a Double VDA distributor. Anyway, it can't be that difficult so if someone has a nice picture I can make sure I get it right. |
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67rustavenger Samba Member

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Posted: Mon Oct 31, 2022 5:05 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Bath air filter - early 73 super |
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Here's a 72 oil bath filter, pilfered from vamram's gallery.
You can see the green vacuum hose looped through the left rear filter top clamp.
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Superbj Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2022 Posts: 72 Location: Minnesota
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2022 5:25 am Post subject: Re: Oil Bath air filter - early 73 super |
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Where does the rubber vacuum hose (top of air cleaner on right) go to? This is where I think something is incorrect on my original set-up.. I just bought my bug several months ago, this vent was connected to the 34Pict3 port facing the rear of the car. I had my carburetor from Tim at VolkzBitz and he confirmed this port should not be connected/used to anything other than a DVDA distributor. Thus I am not sure where to route that vent to. The manual shows a set-up where this goes to the Vacuum unit on the right side of the air cleaner housing which I suspect is the way the picture you sent me is set-up. This has to be the solution for me. Thanks |
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busdaddy Samba Member

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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:21 am Post subject: Re: Oil Bath air filter - early 73 super |
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The air cleaner vacuum connects to the manifold below the carb, the nipple is bent in the pic below, but shows where it should be.
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lboos Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2022 8:27 am Post subject: Re: Oil Bath air filter - early 73 super |
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Superbj wrote: |
Does anybody have a picture that illustrates the proper hook-ups for an oil bath air filter and an early 73 super? Specifically, I believe I have an original oil bath filter, and I have a 34Pict/3 carburetor. I just installed a SVDA distributor (replaced the 009) so the hook-ups are slightly different and I want to make sure I am doing it right. In my old set-up the vacuum hose on the front (rear facing) of the carburetor hooked up to the oil bath, but instructions indicate this is used when there is a Double VDA distributor. Anyway, it can't be that difficult so if someone has a nice picture I can make sure I get it right. |
Is this what you mean ?
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Superbj Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:10 am Post subject: Re: Oil Bath air filter - early 73 super |
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yes, that last picture I think is what my set-up should be. When I bought the bug the vacuum hose on the right side, when looking at the engine, was routed into the upper vacuum connection on the Carburetor, which as I understand is for when you have a DVDA distributor only. Thus, I think that was incorrect so am making the correct set-up now. thanks much. |
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Superbj Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2022 10:11 am Post subject: Re: Oil Bath air filter - early 73 super |
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In fact, that last picture is precisely what my motor looks like, right down to the same air filter, same distributor, etc. This is what I needed to confirm what I thought. I am a rookie at this so just wanted to avoid a dumb a** error. |
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lboos Samba Member
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Posted: Tue Nov 01, 2022 11:29 am Post subject: Re: Oil Bath air filter - early 73 super |
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Here's a pic. of my 71 with a DVDA distributor, the breather is a little diff. as it has no vac. connections on the top.
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sb001 Samba Member

Joined: May 19, 2011 Posts: 10450 Location: NW Arkansas
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 6:54 am Post subject: Re: Oil Bath air filter - early 73 super |
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Basically, it works like this:
The air cleaner has a thermostatic valve in the top of it (#5 in the diagram below), that has two vacuum hoses connected to it (#6). One vacuum hose goes down to the intake manifold below the carburetor (#4.) The other is connected to a vacuum canister (#3) mounted on the snorkel of the air cleaner (#2), which in turn controls a flap inside the snorkel (#1.)
The thermostatic valve is affected by the temperature of the air passing through the air cleaner chamber. When the engine is cold and you start the car, air gets drawn up through the preheat hose (item A in the diagram) from the 1 and 2 cylinders into the air cleaner. (Since the cylinders will heat up this air fairly quickly, it helps warm the engine up more quickly.)
In this condition, with the air passing through the air cleaner fairly cold, the thermostatic valve in the top of the air cleaner is in the OPEN position, which allows the intake below the carburetor to pull vacuum through the top of the air cleaner from the vacuum canister mounted on the air cleaner. AS long as vacuum is being pulled from the canister, it keeps the snorkel flap in the "OPEN TO PREHEATED AIR" position, continuing to allow preheated air from the cylinder banks up through the air cleaner:
However, as that preheated air gradually gets warmer, it starts to push the thermostatic valve at the top of the air cleaner into the CLOSED position. As the valve moves into the closed position, it starts to cut off the vacuum being pulled from the canister on the snorkel, which in turn gradually moves the snorkel flap into the "OPEN TO OUTSIDE AIR" position, until eventually the flap closes off preheated air completely (since the engine is fully warm now, it doesn't need the preheated air anymore) and allows nothing but outisde air through the cleaner:
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Joined: November 20, 2016 Posts: 7417 Location: Houston, Texas
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Posted: Wed Nov 02, 2022 10:58 am Post subject: Re: Oil Bath air filter - early 73 super |
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Superbj wrote: |
I just installed a SVDA distributor |
SVDA connects one hose to drivers side of carburetor on a 34 PICT 3. Make sure to plug all of the other connections on the carburetor that are not in use.
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volksworld Samba Member
Joined: November 26, 2011 Posts: 2575 Location: formerly NY currently NC
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Posted: Thu Nov 03, 2022 4:32 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Bath air filter - early 73 super |
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the port on the side of the manifold below the carb and the large rearward facing port on the carb itself are both sources of manifold vacuum...the air cleaner would be hooked to the one on the manifold and the retard side of a DVDA would be hooked to the one on the carb...but if you lack the one on your manifold and are running a single advance its perfectly fine to hook your air cleaner to the DVDA port on the carb... |
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benntn Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2023 Posts: 48 Location: TN
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Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 7:27 am Post subject: Re: Oil Bath air filter - early 73 super |
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sb001 wrote: |
Basically, it works like this:
The air cleaner has a thermostatic valve in the top of it (#5 in the diagram below), that has two vacuum hoses connected to it (#6). One vacuum hose goes down to the intake manifold below the carburetor (#4.) The other is connected to a vacuum canister (#3) mounted on the snorkel of the air cleaner (#2), which in turn controls a flap inside the snorkel (#1.)
The thermostatic valve is affected by the temperature of the air passing through the air cleaner chamber. When the engine is cold and you start the car, air gets drawn up through the preheat hose (item A in the diagram) from the 1 and 2 cylinders into the air cleaner. (Since the cylinders will heat up this air fairly quickly, it helps warm the engine up more quickly.)
In this condition, with the air passing through the air cleaner fairly cold, the thermostatic valve in the top of the air cleaner is in the OPEN position, which allows the intake below the carburetor to pull vacuum through the top of the air cleaner from the vacuum canister mounted on the air cleaner. AS long as vacuum is being pulled from the canister, it keeps the snorkel flap in the "OPEN TO PREHEATED AIR" position, continuing to allow preheated air from the cylinder banks up through the air cleaner:
However, as that preheated air gradually gets warmer, it starts to push the thermostatic valve at the top of the air cleaner into the CLOSED position. As the valve moves into the closed position, it starts to cut off the vacuum being pulled from the canister on the snorkel, which in turn gradually moves the snorkel flap into the "OPEN TO OUTSIDE AIR" position, until eventually the flap closes off preheated air completely (since the engine is fully warm now, it doesn't need the preheated air anymore) and allows nothing but outisde air through the cleaner:
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Hello SB,
I purchased a 72 SB air cleaner from the Samba classifies. disassembled it to clean and repaint. Is there a way to test the flap on the vacuum canister before I reassemble it? Also, inside the cold air intake there is a another flap that is connected to the weighted arm. How does that work with the flap to the vaccum can? |
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vamram  Samba Member

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Posted: Wed May 14, 2025 8:46 am Post subject: Re: Oil Bath air filter - early 73 super |
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benntn wrote: |
....Is there a way to test the flap on the vacuum canister before I reassemble it? Also, inside the cold air intake there is a another flap that is connected to the weighted arm. How does that work with the flap to the vaccum can? |
You can test it using a hand vacuum pump. Connect it to the hose nipple on the snout's diaphragm and pump. You should be able to look thru the snout as you pump. The diaphragm is good if you see the flap rise as you apply vacuum. _________________ "Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition
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benntn Samba Member
Joined: December 29, 2023 Posts: 48 Location: TN
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Posted: Thu May 15, 2025 7:46 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Bath air filter - early 73 super |
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vamram wrote: |
benntn wrote: |
....Is there a way to test the flap on the vacuum canister before I reassemble it? Also, inside the cold air intake there is a another flap that is connected to the weighted arm. How does that work with the flap to the vaccum can? |
You can test it using a hand vacuum pump. Connect it to the hose nipple on the snout's diaphragm and pump. You should be able to look thru the snout as you pump. The diaphragm is good if you see the flap rise as you apply vacuum. |
Thank you. How much vaccum would take to pull the diaphragm down? I can push it down with my fingers but its hard to move. If I suck on it with my month, it doesn't move at all. So does the engine really create that strong of a vaccume to pull it down or is mine bad possiblly? |
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vamram  Samba Member

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Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 5:30 am Post subject: Re: Oil Bath air filter - early 73 super |
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Well, yeah, the engine does. Could be a bad diaphragm. Get the hand-held vacuum pump from HF. _________________ "Men are qualified for civil liberty in exact proportion to their disposition
to put moral chains upon their own appetites. -Edmund Burke
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talljordan Samba Member

Joined: January 10, 2012 Posts: 1063 Location: San Francisco, CA
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 2:51 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Bath air filter - early 73 super |
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Does anyone know the correct temperature for the thermostat to open? _________________ 1972 Super Beetle, Parked until adequate restoration funding is acquired in restoration!
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benntn Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 6:00 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Bath air filter - early 73 super |
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talljordan wrote: |
Does anyone know the correct temperature for the thermostat to open? |
I don't know but i thought about removing it to clean but I was afaid I would not be able to get back in. |
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benntn Samba Member
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Posted: Fri May 16, 2025 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Bath air filter - early 73 super |
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vamram wrote: |
Well, yeah, the engine does. Could be a bad diaphragm. Get the hand-held vacuum pump from HF. |
Okay thank you vamram. |
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passionre Samba Member
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Posted: Sat May 17, 2025 2:46 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Bath air filter - early 73 super |
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talljordan wrote: |
Does anyone know the correct temperature for the thermostat to open? |
The thermostat should open between 100-105F. |
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talljordan Samba Member

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Posted: Sun May 18, 2025 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Oil Bath air filter - early 73 super |
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Giving it a shot. Im having a lot of trouble dialing mine in. It either is always open or always closed. Does not seem to want to have a happy middleground. _________________ 1972 Super Beetle, Parked until adequate restoration funding is acquired in restoration!
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