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Alex6373 Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2007 Posts: 925 Location: Vancouver Island,B.C.
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 6:35 pm Post subject: Heat exchangers |
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Hi there
I am wondering what the best way to re attach the flanges to the heat exchangers ?.
Allso anyone have any info on how the were originally pressed together .
What about brazing them back together ?
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busdaddy Samba Member

Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 52931 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 7:05 pm Post subject: Re: Heat exchangers |
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I'm not sure just what sort of savagery occured there, at the factory the flanges are slipped over the ends of the tubes and oven brazed into place in a jig fixture.
Sawing them off below the flange is going to make alignment impossible without a head to bolt them to, and welding that close to a brazed joint will surely contaminate the weld and make a bubbly poo speckled weld that's an embarrasment for even an amature.
Good luck!  _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Alex6373 Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2007 Posts: 925 Location: Vancouver Island,B.C.
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 7:50 pm Post subject: Re: Heat exchangers |
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Who said anything about about sawing them off !!!!!
Thanks for the input!
Also your comments about being an amateur!
All welded and reinstalled
The factory brazing was not existing and exhaust was leaking out of the joints .
Thanks for your help Busdaddy ! |
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busdaddy Samba Member

Joined: February 12, 2004 Posts: 52931 Location: Surrey B.C. Canada, but thinking of Ukraine
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Posted: Wed Jun 04, 2025 9:11 pm Post subject: Re: Heat exchangers |
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Oh my, that must have been running super lean to melt the bronze out of the joints, wow!  _________________ Rust NEVER sleeps and stock never goes out of style.
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Erik G Samba Member

Joined: October 16, 2002 Posts: 13554 Location: Tejas!
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Alex6373 Samba Member
Joined: August 05, 2007 Posts: 925 Location: Vancouver Island,B.C.
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 10:02 am Post subject: Re: Heat exchangers |
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Ya not pretty but thy work you guys are quite a bunch .
These days sourcing all these parts is difficult and expensive.
So until i know what i have upgrading will wait till later .
Push rod tubes are an easy change later !
I suggest you guys get away from your computers and actually do some work
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vamram  Samba Member

Joined: March 08, 2012 Posts: 8066 Location: NOVA
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 12:42 pm Post subject: Re: Heat exchangers |
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Alex6373 wrote: |
... you guys are quite a bunch .
I suggest you guys get away from your computers and actually do some work
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SGKent  Samba Member

Joined: October 30, 2007 Posts: 42793 Location: at the beach
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Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 10:34 pm Post subject: Re: Heat exchangers |
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What Mark said. Over time the brazing burns away. It was a silver brazing material that came up in a couple threads in the bay forum. Used ones almost always leak. Carbon builds up and plugs the area, but the hotter the exhaust is, the sooner the brazing fails. The reason brazing was used is that welding will create a fracture line when they are heated and cooled. They were never designed to last 50 years like a set of stainless welded headers on a water cooled engine might. They were painted in the brazing solder and flux, tack welded on a jig and oven brazed. _________________ George Carlin:
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oprn Samba Member

Joined: November 13, 2016 Posts: 14909 Location: Western Canada
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Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 4:27 am Post subject: Re: Heat exchangers |
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Brass/bronze is a "hot short" metal meaning that the hotter it gets the weaker it is. I cannot understand why anyone would use that on an exhaust system. That is a surefire recipe for weld failure! _________________ Our cars get old, we get old but driving an old VW never gets old! |
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