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esde
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 3:04 pm    Post subject: Split and Zwitter seat padding Reply with quote

Hello,
During the pandemic, I ordered a full set of covers from Marcus Raeke, and am just getting ready to install them onto the restored seat frames..
Marcus did install the front covers onto seat frames, and secured the padding inside the covers so they are filled correctly..
For the rear covers, what padding are people using? I see the stock type from Wolfsburg West, are these good? Are you using burlap over the springs? Did you have to use other padding to help fill the upholstery and what did you use?
My daughter is home from college where she is studying fashion and garment construction, so she is a natural choice to help with this project.. I'm just trying to get as much info as possible going into it.
Lastly, do any of you have web pages or videos bookmarked that might show some of the details of working on these early seats? There are a bunch on the later seats, using TMI covers and foam pads, but they don't really get the details of a properly restored seat.
I'll be sure to document this as we go.. Thanks.
SD
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 7:40 am    Post subject: Re: Split and Zwitter seat padding Reply with quote

Hi,
the rearpaddings fit not well. The quality is getting more and more bad. I use 20 mm plane coconut material and clip it to the frame.

esde wrote:
Hello,
During the pandemic, I ordered a full set of covers from Marcus Raeke, and am just getting ready to install them onto the restored seat frames..
Marcus did install the front covers onto seat frames, and secured the padding inside the covers so they are filled correctly..
For the rear covers, what padding are people using? I see the stock type from Wolfsburg West, are these good? Are you using burlap over the springs? Did you have to use other padding to help fill the upholstery and what did you use?
My daughter is home from college where she is studying fashion and garment construction, so she is a natural choice to help with this project.. I'm just trying to get as much info as possible going into it.
Lastly, do any of you have web pages or videos bookmarked that might show some of the details of working on these early seats? There are a bunch on the later seats, using TMI covers and foam pads, but they don't really get the details of a properly restored seat.
I'll be sure to document this as we go.. Thanks.
SD

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 7:59 am    Post subject: Re: Split and Zwitter seat padding Reply with quote

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Links: 50 Standard Seat PaddingSeat padding for a 53 beetle

mr magyar wrote:
Hi,

Here are some photos of the seats from my '49 Standard after the original outer fabric had been removed. There's a layer of the brown sacking like material against the springs, then the grey wirey padding (synthetic horsehair?), another layer of the sacking and finally a layer of the soft, thick grey padding which I think in the UK it's known as shoddy.
I have more photos if you need them for reference.

Cheers,
Andy.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 10, 2025 9:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Split and Zwitter seat padding Reply with quote

You are comparing apples with bananas.
We are talking about coconut ( export ) padding

RUNKLE wrote:
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Links: 50 Standard Seat PaddingSeat padding for a 53 beetle

mr magyar wrote:
Hi,

Here are some photos of the seats from my '49 Standard after the original outer fabric had been removed. There's a layer of the brown sacking like material against the springs, then the grey wirey padding (synthetic horsehair?), another layer of the sacking and finally a layer of the soft, thick grey padding which I think in the UK it's known as shoddy.
I have more photos if you need them for reference.

Cheers,
Andy.
Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

Image may have been reduced in size. Click image to view fullscreen.

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PostPosted: Wed Jun 11, 2025 12:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Split and Zwitter seat padding Reply with quote

esde wrote:
Hello,
During the pandemic, I ordered a full set of covers from Marcus Raeke, and am just getting ready to install them onto the restored seat frames..
Marcus did install the front covers onto seat frames, and secured the padding inside the covers so they are filled correctly..
For the rear covers, what padding are people using? I see the stock type from Wolfsburg West, are these good? Are you using burlap over the springs? Did you have to use other padding to help fill the upholstery and what did you use?
My daughter is home from college where she is studying fashion and garment construction, so she is a natural choice to help with this project.. I'm just trying to get as much info as possible going into it.
Lastly, do any of you have web pages or videos bookmarked that might show some of the details of working on these early seats? There are a bunch on the later seats, using TMI covers and foam pads, but they don't really get the details of a properly restored seat.
I'll be sure to document this as we go.. Thanks.
SD


Quite simply, the primary seat frame and spring covering is Hessian (US = Burlap). Try and get the best quality you can, as this material takes a lot of strain in all directions. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hessian_fabric
https://burlapfabric.com/burlap-rolls

The padding that sits above this, and under the cover material, is called flock, which is a fibrous material, made from shredded old clothes, hence the many different colours exhibited in the material. In the old days, this basic raw material was supplied by the those in the 'rag and bone ' trade, and was big business: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rag-and-bone_man

Thus, the material found in old seats generally consists of natural fibres, as man made fibres were less common back in the day, and it is better to replace the material again with natural fibres, as they permit body moisture to escape. As example can be found here: https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/144163210742?chn=ps&...7ad4ee3295
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 2:56 am    Post subject: Re: Split and Zwitter seat padding Reply with quote

^^ Very interesting, Martin. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 4:39 am    Post subject: Re: Split and Zwitter seat padding Reply with quote

This is all very interesting, thank you
I have some burlap to cover the springs, a tighter weave that we use for wrapping root balls. I wonder if it is suitable? And, I did already order the pads from Wolfsburg West. I assume they will be mostly the correct shape and fit, but if not is it possible to add padding to make them fit better? Would you add padding between the cover and coconut pad, or between the springs and coconut pad?
Beetlekey, do you have any details you would share about how you make your pads? I realizer you run a business and don't want to give away your secrets, but any advice and methods you can give is much appreciated.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 6:39 am    Post subject: Re: Split and Zwitter seat padding Reply with quote

I recently had my seats redone using WW seat pads. The rear seats came out very nice. I believe some modification were made to make them fit right. The front seats came out ok but there were some issues. The main one being the seat backs that came out a little to thick to me. I wouldn't add any foam to them. On the seat bottoms I would study some of the pictures on Marcus site to see what a correctly done seat looks like. The seam on the seat bottom needs to be pulled down in order to make them look original. I would imagine there is a lot of fitting and refitting when putting the covers on. The original seat pad material on my seats were in bad condition and unusable. If yours are in good shape I would use them and perhaps add some new material to build them up. I have seen plenty of photos on your gallery. No doubt your skill level is up to it.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 12, 2025 7:49 am    Post subject: Re: Split and Zwitter seat padding Reply with quote

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beetlekey wrote:
You are comparing apples with bananas.
We are talking about coconut (export ) padding

The OP had a question regarding placement of burlap.

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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 5:01 am    Post subject: Re: Split and Zwitter seat padding Reply with quote

When I bought my present Kubel 25+ years ago, which I believe found itself in Italy at the end of the war, when I stripped the covered front seats down, what I found was layers of old clothing and hay. Whatever you could get your hands on back in the day!
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