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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2025 7:18 am    Post subject: 1.9 Vanagon fuel injector impedance low, do I replace? Reply with quote

84 1.9 stock diji system, van bucked like it was losing power two days ago for about 30 seconds, drove home okay but not super spirited. fired it up in the morning and all was well for about a minute til I gave it some gas to reverse and it died, will not start now even a day later. possible sounded like it was running on two cylinders as the exhaust note had no lope to it, just a constant putter.

I have spark at the plugs and fuel at the T fitting, and the plugs are wet with fuel when I pulled them out. however, injectors 1/2 ohm tested around 4 ohms and 3/4 tested 16.5 right in Bentley spec both at the ecu harness and at the injector themselves. does this constitute a replacement? or should I keep troubleshooting. I'm not an expert with a multimeter and the bentley doesn't have guidance on what to do if it ohms bad.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2025 8:22 am    Post subject: Re: 1.9 Vanagon fuel injector impedance low, do I replace? Reply with quote

I have a vague memory of a mistake in the Bentley manual. Anyhow, unplug the injectors and meter each one the same orientation with the red lead on one pin and the black lead on the other. Easier said than done. I have a spare pigtail that makes measuring easier. Once you verify the individual injectors have matching resistance, they should, you can move onto the harness. I don’t recall the mistake, but it was something about measuring resistance at the ECU plug. With the injectors still unplugged ohm out each individual wire between the injector plug and the ECU. Use the manual for the pin out. I’d have to have the manual in front of me to advise more and I don’t. If the injectors individually match and you have no open or high resistance wiring, you need to look elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2025 5:48 pm    Post subject: Re: 1.9 Vanagon fuel injector impedance low, do I replace? Reply with quote

on my 1985 1.9L each of my injectors measures 16.5 ohms on the nose, reading 4 ohms on injectors 1/2 seems suspicious to me. If it were me, I would probably look at replacement.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 9:21 am    Post subject: Re: 1.9 Vanagon fuel injector impedance low, do I replace? Reply with quote

If you decide to replace the injectors replace them in a set of four.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 9:40 am    Post subject: Re: 1.9 Vanagon fuel injector impedance low, do I replace? Reply with quote

^^^ Totally agree with this, recommend five to always have a perfect spare.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 9:50 am    Post subject: Re: 1.9 Vanagon fuel injector impedance low, do I replace? Reply with quote

If your reading is correct, you have shorted injectors. Double check as you stated you are not an expert at multimeter use.

Id only replace the bad ones. Save money, why replace good injectors with new, unless you are rolling in money.

Also confirm the two injectors that read low ohms are the same part type as the high ohm ones. maybe you have a mixed set. buy the corrects replacements!!!!!
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 10:07 am    Post subject: Re: 1.9 Vanagon fuel injector impedance low, do I replace? Reply with quote

If Mark or I are rolling in money, it must be a few hundred pennies. Laughing

There’s wisdom in matched sets sometimes, in this case, mpg. Anytime an injector or two go bad, the others are probably about to. False economy in letting that happen.
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 11, 2025 4:53 pm    Post subject: Re: 1.9 Vanagon fuel injector impedance low, do I replace? Reply with quote

One may simply measure the injector flow rate to determine if they are matched. It is false economy to replace perfectly good injectors.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:25 pm    Post subject: Re: 1.9 Vanagon fuel injector impedance low, do I replace? Reply with quote

MarkWard wrote:
I have a vague memory of a mistake in the Bentley manual. Anyhow, unplug the injectors and meter each one the same orientation with the red lead on one pin and the black lead on the other. Easier said than done. I have a spare pigtail that makes measuring easier. Once you verify the individual injectors have matching resistance, they should, you can move onto the harness. I don’t recall the mistake, but it was something about measuring resistance at the ECU plug. With the injectors still unplugged ohm out each individual wire between the injector plug and the ECU. Use the manual for the pin out. I’d have to have the manual in front of me to advise more and I don’t. If the injectors individually match and you have no open or high resistance wiring, you need to look elsewhere.


Mark, is the mistake in the manual that you can meter from the ECU harness? Because I get around 21 all around if I check from the harness and 16.4 if I check at the individual injectors.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:33 pm    Post subject: Re: 1.9 Vanagon fuel injector impedance low, do I replace? Reply with quote

85Westylover wrote:
MarkWard wrote:
I have a vague memory of a mistake in the Bentley manual. Anyhow, unplug the injectors and meter each one the same orientation with the red lead on one pin and the black lead on the other. Easier said than done. I have a spare pigtail that makes measuring easier. Once you verify the individual injectors have matching resistance, they should, you can move onto the harness. I don’t recall the mistake, but it was something about measuring resistance at the ECU plug. With the injectors still unplugged ohm out each individual wire between the injector plug and the ECU. Use the manual for the pin out. I’d have to have the manual in front of me to advise more and I don’t. If the injectors individually match and you have no open or high resistance wiring, you need to look elsewhere.


Mark, is the mistake in the manual that you can meter from the ECU harness? Because I get around 21 all around if I check from the harness and 16.4 if I check at the individual injectors.


If you take the ohms reading through the harness, then you are checking more than the injector, you are also in effect checking the harness, its connections also.
If you suspect the injector is problem, then measure the ohms directly on the injector, and best bet is to use alligator clips on the injector pins to assure a good firm contact, verse simply touch the probe on the pin.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 5:41 pm    Post subject: Re: 1.9 Vanagon fuel injector impedance low, do I replace? Reply with quote

zerotofifty wrote:
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MarkWard wrote:
I have a vague memory of a mistake in the Bentley manual. Anyhow, unplug the injectors and meter each one the same orientation with the red lead on one pin and the black lead on the other. Easier said than done. I have a spare pigtail that makes measuring easier. Once you verify the individual injectors have matching resistance, they should, you can move onto the harness. I don’t recall the mistake, but it was something about measuring resistance at the ECU plug. With the injectors still unplugged ohm out each individual wire between the injector plug and the ECU. Use the manual for the pin out. I’d have to have the manual in front of me to advise more and I don’t. If the injectors individually match and you have no open or high resistance wiring, you need to look elsewhere.


Mark, is the mistake in the manual that you can meter from the ECU harness? Because I get around 21 all around if I check from the harness and 16.4 if I check at the individual injectors.


If you take the ohms reading through the harness, then you are checking more than the injector, you are also in effect checking the harness, its connections also.
If you suspect the injector is problem, then measure the ohms directly on the injector, and best bet is to use alligator clips on the injector pins to assure a good firm contact, verse simply touch the probe on the pin.


Appreciate that info! My Book shows to test through the ECU Harness and that each injector should be 14-18 OHM range so I'm guessing that is a mistake with the Book.
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PostPosted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 10:36 am    Post subject: Re: 1.9 Vanagon fuel injector impedance low, do I replace? Reply with quote

85Westylover wrote:
zerotofifty wrote:
85Westylover wrote:
MarkWard wrote:
I have a vague memory of a mistake in the Bentley manual. Anyhow, unplug the injectors and meter each one the same orientation with the red lead on one pin and the black lead on the other. Easier said than done. I have a spare pigtail that makes measuring easier. Once you verify the individual injectors have matching resistance, they should, you can move onto the harness. I don’t recall the mistake, but it was something about measuring resistance at the ECU plug. With the injectors still unplugged ohm out each individual wire between the injector plug and the ECU. Use the manual for the pin out. I’d have to have the manual in front of me to advise more and I don’t. If the injectors individually match and you have no open or high resistance wiring, you need to look elsewhere.


Mark, is the mistake in the manual that you can meter from the ECU harness? Because I get around 21 all around if I check from the harness and 16.4 if I check at the individual injectors.


If you take the ohms reading through the harness, then you are checking more than the injector, you are also in effect checking the harness, its connections also.
If you suspect the injector is problem, then measure the ohms directly on the injector, and best bet is to use alligator clips on the injector pins to assure a good firm contact, verse simply touch the probe on the pin.


Appreciate that info! My Book shows to test through the ECU Harness and that each injector should be 14-18 OHM range so I'm guessing that is a mistake with the Book.
Well, no, not exactly. When vehicles are new, and wiring is fresh, you get so little resistance added through a harness if all is well, that that tiny range of ohm spec could work well for a few years until decades later, you might run into testing issues as our thin wires gain resistance .
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