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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 3:11 pm    Post subject: Battery drain Reply with quote

I have a 69 bug with an alternator conversion that I inhereted from my dad. He would leave a battery tender on it to keep a charge. I am now trying to troubleshoot it. I’ve put a multimeter in series between the neg terminal and cable. I pulled the fuses one at a time and the reading never changed. I’ve visually checked the wiring and found no problems. I even disconnected the radio. Anybody got any ideas. If I let the car sit for a week it has to be jumpers….Steve
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 3:57 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery drain Reply with quote

I suspect the ALTERNATOR. It may charge fine, but likely a source of your parasitic drain.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 4:07 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery drain Reply with quote

With a cable off (makes no difference which one) monitor the battery voltage for a few days.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 5:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery drain Reply with quote

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I’ve put a multimeter in series between the neg terminal and cable.

Well...what is it reading? Are you using the 'special' 10amp plug on the meter or are you using the 2amp max 'regular' plug? Some digital meters get a 'noise' reading. It might not always be 0.00, especially on the 2amp max. Switch the + lead between the two plugs and see if the readings are the same value.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 13, 2025 8:10 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery drain Reply with quote

Disconnect the main wire to the alternator, and see if the battery drain stops.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 5:50 am    Post subject: Re: Battery drain Reply with quote

I tried disconnecting the alt wire. Made no difference
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 5:53 am    Post subject: Re: Battery drain Reply with quote

Have you verified it's not the battery?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 6:00 am    Post subject: Re: Battery drain Reply with quote

She has a relatively new battery. It was happening with the old battery as well
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 6:18 am    Post subject: Re: Battery drain Reply with quote

With the battery disconnected from the system hook your meter between the cables on ohms. Try pulling fuses to see if you can drop the resistance. I like checking for drains this way as I can wiggle the keys and open and shut the doors pull fuses and play with all the switches without fear of shorting anything.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:21 am    Post subject: Re: Battery drain Reply with quote

benchracer1 wrote:
I tried disconnecting the alt wire. Made no difference

SAMBA readers 'luv' photos, post a photo of the VOM reading you're getting with it connected.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 7:30 am    Post subject: Re: Battery drain Reply with quote

I'll do that this morning
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 10:57 am    Post subject: Re: Battery drain Reply with quote

benchracer1 wrote:
I’ve put a multimeter in series between the neg terminal and cable. I pulled the fuses one at a time and the reading never changed.

Multi meters have multiple functions. What function was your MM set to when connected between the battery post and the loose battery cable? If looking for a parasitic drain you usually set the meter to read amps/current. What was the reading you get? Any positive or negative current reading indicates current is flowing thru the meter. If you started with zero reading disconnecting wires would not increase the reading. More details please. Pics are good.

When you disconnected the alternator wire did you disconnect BOTH alternator wires? Does your alternator have just 2-wire (AL82) or 4-wires (AL78)?
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 1:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery drain Reply with quote

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 1:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery drain Reply with quote

7ma of parasitic drain is likely normal and nothing to worry about. That's practically nothing. A typical car battery carries 40,000+mah of power.

You'd have to not drive the car for 6 months or more to drain the battery at that rate.

If you aren't driving for a whole season, you should be disconnecting the battery regardless.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 1:58 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery drain Reply with quote

you could be chasing the wrong issue....you may have a starter situation where the solenoid wont engage with "normal" battery voltage and keeping it on the tender gives it just enough more...if it wont start, jump across the solenoid from the battery cable nut to the push-on spade terminal with a screwdriver and see if the starter cranks (all safety precautions of course)...if it does, but wont crank via the key, time to either install a "starter booster relay" and/or go down the rabbit hole of why isnt it getting enough amperage to start...corroded connectors. chassis grounds, battery cables, internal wire resistance ,bad starter or switch etc....its a very common issue because of the length of wire involved going from the battery up to the key and all the way back to the starter again....a battery load tester will show if the battery is strong enough to start the car...perhaps you could get a free loaner from a local parts chain or just bring the battery to them (out of the car) for them to test it...7ma is nothing...you'd be seeing like a half an amp or more to have a problem
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 2:55 pm    Post subject: Re: Battery drain Reply with quote

talljordan wrote:
7ma of parasitic drain is likely normal and nothing to worry about. That's practically nothing.

I agree with this. Anything less than 50mA is normal for most modern cars and not worth chasing. For example, if you had a modern stereo with an internal clock and preset memory, 50mA would be the expected power draw. Just be aware there is someting draining the battery and disconnect it if you plan to not start the car for more than a week or two.


Next, test the battery. What is the voltage between the two battery posts when your battery is fully charged?
Put the battery on your tender/charger. Charge it overnight or until is shows fully charged. Test the voltage at the battery posts. It will likely read well above 13.0v having just come off the charger.
Crank the engine for a second or two to load the battery and remove any surface charge left over from the charger. Test the voltage now with everything powered OFF. A fully charged (100% state of charge) 12v car battery should read 12.6v. A reading of 12.0v and your battery is down to 50% state of charge. If you reach 11.1v your battery is 0% state of charge.

State of charge is just one measure of the battery. If possible take it to a shop that can load test it. This is where they simulate the load of a starter and confirm the battery can carry a 450A load for a few seconds. A battery that shows a full charge but cannot carry its rated load... is bad and should be replaced.

Note: continuously deep discharging a lead-acid battery is very bad. It will shorten its life. Batteries are meant to carry the load of the starter and then get recharged by the charging system of the car.
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