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pondoras box
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 Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2025 6:31 pm Post subject: 1965 barn find (Arschloch) |
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The final car drug out of a barn find collection from upstate New York. This was the fourth and final car from near Malone New York. The owner used to drive these from his home on Long Island to JFK where he was an avionics technician for Pan Am, later working for other airlines. When he deemed a car too much to continue fixing to be financially reasonable he would park them in a barn at his property near Malone. So after a very long trip to get there 8 hours each way my wife and I start to prep the car for extraction from its spider infested parking spot. While trying to air up the tires in the barn the two fronts blew out. Oh well I brought rollers not a problem.
We then hook up and my wife pulled it out with the truck. It came out without too much of a fight with one wheel actually spinning. We got him to a position where we were going to do all the work to load him on the trailer and call it a day. Already 12 hours in at this point.
Time to get a hotel and shower up. Yeah, no that didn’t happen, there wasn’t a hotel room within 2 hours of Malone! Damn leaf gawkers and apparently the National Guard had all the rooms! Drive back out to the farm and spend the night in the truck. I think I still have a seat belt buckle indent on my hip. After a restless night we woke up and wished for coffee but got started.
I pulled the brake drums and got all four rolling without too much of an issue and the four tires were still holding air so time to load up on the trailer. My come along had taken a dump on me during the oval extraction a month earlier so my brother in law gifted me a 2500 pound ATV winch. We were not sure it was going to be strong enough but we hooked up and pulled. Holy crap it almost jump on the trailer!
We loaded all the tools and the last of any VW related parts from the barns and we headed for home. As we were doing our final safety check of the trailer my wife noticed a headlight out. As it’s a lot of work to change I decided we are going to do that at home with proper work place and tools.
Well the trip home was pretty uneventful, we left late so yes night driving, and got stop by a NY State trooper. After a brief and friendly conversation explaining the situation he let us go without any issues. See be nice to the police it pays off.
Anyway we make it home safe but exhausted and dirty at about 11:30 pm.
The next day here it is in the driveway.
Now if you look this car is a bit confusing as it is a 65 but it has all original black paint parts. But it has a small license plate light pre 63. Earlier peanut front fenders and turn signals also 58 through 63 items. Four tab hood, 58 through 60 style. High back seats from a 68 through 72, no fun there but ok.
All of this lead to naming him Arschloch. It is a derogatory German word that describes this car perfectly. My wife has claimed the car as hers and will only be changing the seats she wants to get correct seats to match the door panels.
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Rome
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2025 9:53 pm Post subject: Re: 1965 barn find (Arschloch) |
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You have plenty of VW dedication to venture way up north into New York to where this Beetle was stored. I passed through Malone back in late '79 when I was in college in Potsdam to the west, to visit a good friend in Plattsburgh. It was an uneventful but relaxing drive in the North Country.
The body does not appear to have gaping rust holes along the bottom edges. After you do a through cleaning, I'm sure you'll assess the rust situation carefully.
We can't see the headrests clearly in your photos; are they the wide style from '68 & '69, or the narrow/slim ones which would be only from '70 to fit the '65's seat rails properly? '71 & '72 had the same narrow shape as the '70 but the seat tracks were wider to match up with the wider rails on the floorpans. Those later seats won't hold properly on '65 rails.
Did you give the other Beetles that you removed from that location similar German nicknames? 
Looking forward to updates on the car.
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pondoras box
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| Posted: Wed Oct 22, 2025 9:59 pm Post subject: Re: 1965 barn find (Arschloch) |
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I will check them out to see but they were fitting the seat rails perfectly. We drove right through the middle of Potsdam working our way over to Watertown.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 3:32 am Post subject: Re: 1965 barn find (Arschloch) |
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| Nice find. This car is a showcase of what was done to a lot of bugs in the 60s and 70s. Parts were mixed and matched routinely to the point of the year identification becoming a challenge for all but the true VW types. In the 2nd photo I saw the thin side pillar so I knew it was a 65 or newer. In the deck lid photo it had the 63 and earlier license light but it had the push button for the latch. The hood had the space in the molding for the Wolfsburg crest. It kind of reminded me of years ago when oval owners would "update"their cars by installing the larger later tail lights. I hope it turns out to be not too rusty so you can get it on the road soon for your wife. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 5:56 am Post subject: Re: 1965 barn find (Arschloch) |
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@Rome yes the all got named but not all German
1965 13 window is named Lucas after my friend who was with me when I found it and was instrumental to making contact with the property owner.
1973 standard Dirty Gerty. She was very dirty with raccoon poop and dirt.
1956 oval Tragic Jack named after Jack Swilling and historical figure people from out west will know. The friend who went with me and who I passed the car onto is a descendent of Jack Swilling. Plus the condition of the car is tragic.
Then Arschloch.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 6:18 am Post subject: Re: 1965 barn find (Arschloch) |
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Nice find! The body looks nice and straight!
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 6:49 am Post subject: Re: 1965 barn find (Arschloch) |
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Congrats. That's a nice barn find right there.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 8:34 am Post subject: Re: 1965 barn find (Arschloch) |
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Thank you everyone for the kind words. There are some patina holes here and there but overall it’s not bad, I’ve fixed MUCH worse. I will be documenting the journey here better than I did with my 11 window bus. Some in pictures and some in YouTube short videos.
When I first tried at the barn the engine was locked up. I was turning in the direction of engine rotation. Once we got home I tried again to maybe bump it free and turned it backwards just trying to rock it loose. It turned freely until it hit the bad spot then I could rotate it back the other way until it hit again.
So I pulled and cleaned the plugs and sprayed 50/50 ATF acetone mix into the cylinders. After letting it sit I checked and it turned smoothly. So time to clean points and Hotwire the coil and give it a try. Tried the starter without plugs to blow out and remaining 50/50 and found out the starter sticks but after a ball peen rebuild it worked “better”. Put OG plugs back in and tried.
This is after filling float bowl with fresh fuel and topping oil off to a full level.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 9:23 am Post subject: Re: 1965 barn find (Arschloch) |
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| pondoras box wrote: |
| Now if you look this car is a bit confusing as it is a 65 but it has all original black paint parts. But it has a small license plate light pre 63. Earlier peanut front fenders and turn signals also 58 through 63 items. Four tab hood, 58 through 60 style. High back seats from a 68 through 72, no fun there but ok. |
Well that's a great barn find!  Given the mishmash of years it is composed of, the name Köter or Mischlingshund would have seemed an apt moniker.  Looking forward to seeing you get it back on the road.
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pondoras box
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 9:51 am Post subject: Re: 1965 barn find (Arschloch) |
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| OldSchoolVW's wrote: |
| pondoras box wrote: |
| Now if you look this car is a bit confusing as it is a 65 but it has all original black paint parts. But it has a small license plate light pre 63. Earlier peanut front fenders and turn signals also 58 through 63 items. Four tab hood, 58 through 60 style. High back seats from a 68 through 72, no fun there but ok. |
Well that's a great barn find! Given the mishmash of years it is composed of, the name Köter or Mischlingshund would have seemed an apt moniker. Looking forward to seeing you get it back on the road. |
Yes either of those would work there are so many that would. Kind of felt that it needed a stronger name it’s a mutt for sure but the padded dash pushed it over the top for me.
Goal is make it yard drivable before snowfall and road worthy by spring. Thats May around here.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 11:26 am Post subject: Re: 1965 barn find (Arschloch) |
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@Rome the seats are even a mixed bag one is a wide headrest and the other a narrow one. But both fit the seat rails perfectly. So one 68 - 69 and one 70?
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 3:54 pm Post subject: Re: 1965 barn find (Arschloch) |
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| Given the mishmash of years it is composed of, the name Köter or Mischlingshund would have seemed an apt moniker. |
"Koeter" is "cur", and "Mischlingshund" is "mixed breed dog" in English. There's another German expression for a mangy dog, "bunter Hund" (sounds like boontah- hoont) but that is actually more for a mutt dog that has several different colors. Your '65 is solid black so that expression really does not apply.
Going back 35 years, a VW enthusiast from MA had a black '63 Beetle which he named "Blackie". If you remember the expression from the movie "Spaceballs"- let the schwarz be with you- "schwarz" is the German word for black, as in color. You could call yours "Schwarzie" to give it a female gender and phrase of endearment. Now that you got the engine running with such little effort, it deserves a "kind" name!
And yes, as to your mixed seats, you have it right. I personally find the narrow headrest style from '70 - '72 the most attractive headrest style among the fixed headrest years, thru '76. Before your wife insists on lowback seats, maybe try to find another '70 seat and reason with her that such a style is advantageous for safety, for reducing head whiplash in case of an accident. Have you ever been to the big Volksfest in Mt Hope near Manheim? I've been a few times and the swapmeet was large. You might get lucky to find a usable '70 seat, now that you know what to look for.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 4:09 pm Post subject: Re: 1965 barn find (Arschloch) |
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Don’t fret it’s already got three point belts on both sides. I’ve got a set of Scat procar seats I put in a 73 that will probably go in this on instead I just need to find the correct adapters.
Problem is Arschloch has already stuck. She feels it’s appropriate.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 4:41 pm Post subject: Re: 1965 barn find (Arschloch) |
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Don’t fret it’s already got three point belts on both sides. I’ve got a set of Scat procar seats I put in a 73 that will probably go in this on instead I just need to find the correct adapters.
Problem is Arschloch has already stuck. She feels it’s appropriate. |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 23, 2025 5:03 pm Post subject: Re: 1965 barn find (Arschloch) |
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| pondoras box wrote: |
Don’t fret it’s already got three point belts on both sides. I’ve got a set of Scat procar seats I put in a 73 that will probably go in this on instead I just need to find the correct adapters.
Problem is Arschloch has already stuck. She feels it’s appropriate. |
Happy wife, happy life!
She named the car and claimed it as hers. Therefore, she gets naming rights. |
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Yeah but she won’t let me lower it, not even dropped spindles.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2025 7:42 am Post subject: Re: 1965 barn find (Arschloch) |
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As you can see in the as found pic this bug was relegated to just an old car status but not so bad that it was scrapped but definitely stuffed in a barn and forgotten about. As is the case with a lot of these cars they become a surface to put stuff on. In this case it was lumber, lots of it which dented the compound curves of the roof. I detailed how I carefully massaged this large dent back out of the roof, watch and learn the “proper” technique to fix this common problem.
Paintless dent removal demonstrated.
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2025 8:28 am Post subject: Re: 1965 barn find (Arschloch) |
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I detailed how I carefully massaged this large dent back out of the roof, watch and learn the “proper” technique to fix this common problem.
Paintless dent removal demonstrated. |
The “Proper” technique is to weld a rag top in!
What cha think?
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| Posted: Fri Oct 24, 2025 9:54 am Post subject: Re: 1965 barn find (Arschloch) |
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| VW_Jimbo wrote: |
| pondoras box wrote: |
I detailed how I carefully massaged this large dent back out of the roof, watch and learn the “proper” technique to fix this common problem.
Paintless dent removal demonstrated. |
The “Proper” technique is to weld a rag top in!
What cha think? |
I 100% agree even if it is perfect!
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1957 Oval ragtop
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2025 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: 1965 barn find (Arschloch) |
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I pulled the brake drums and got all four rolling without too much of an issue and the four tires were still holding air so time to load up on the trailer. |
FYI If you just pull two lug bolts per drum, and use a long punch or rod with a hammer to hit against the spines of the brake shoes. That will break loose the shoes in a jiffy, without needing to pull each drum, and probably ruining the brake parts.
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| Posted: Sat Oct 25, 2025 3:26 pm Post subject: Re: 1965 barn find (Arschloch) |
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| pondoras box wrote: |
I pulled the brake drums and got all four rolling without too much of an issue and the four tires were still holding air so time to load up on the trailer. |
FYI If you just pull two lug bolts per drum, and use a long punch or rod with a hammer to hit against the spines of the brake shoes. That will break loose the shoes in a jiffy, without needing to pull each drum, and probably ruining the brake parts. |
There wasn’t much left of the shoes. I have done the long punch thing with about 50% success with north east rust belt corrosion. The other hardware and parking brake stuff is all good. The retention springs and pins gave their life for the cause. The other springs are still good. Either way it’s all getting replaced disc up front and all new hardware in the rear. Will inspect the rear drums but will likely get replaced. My wife will be driving this one so needs to be good.
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