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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 7:52 am    Post subject: 113 VW 1200 deluxe from 1962 - different heating outlets? Reply with quote

Hello,

I'm thinking of buying a deluxe from May 1962, first delivery in austria. I got several pictures from the current owner, it seems to be a very clean and original car.
From the german models I know, that a steering wheel lock was added since august 1961, but during my research in classified ads, I have seen vehicles from model year 1962 delivered to other (also european) countries, that still have the ignition key placed in the dashboard. I assume, it was a german-only thing, for other countries you had to add the option M 55 or so. So I'm not surprised that the austrian offered has no steering-iginiton-lock.

But:
I also got pictures from the area under the rear seat. And here, I'm very surprised. Normally, I would have thought it to be like that:

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but the setting in the offered car looks like this:

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I do not understand it, because with the all known setting from the first picture, VW introduced a very effective heater outlet. Is this factory or dealer installed? Regarding also the quality of work on the boards, it looks to me very professional, when not installed from the factroy, it should be an accessory item? Does anybody have seen this setting anywhere?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:06 am    Post subject: Re: 113 VW 1200 deluxe from 1962 - different heating outlets? Reply with quote

Has "1962" heating.. .. so should be correct.

Best 62 heat topic

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=445797

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63/64 heat topic

https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=541030

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:13 am    Post subject: Re: 113 VW 1200 deluxe from 1962 - different heating outlets? Reply with quote

Thank you! But when did they use the round style heater outlets wihtout flaps? Or did they install tem only in german delivered cars?
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:18 am    Post subject: Re: 113 VW 1200 deluxe from 1962 - different heating outlets? Reply with quote

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Thank you! But when did they use the round style heater outlets wihtout flaps? ?


Never.

The round heater controls always had flaps..

For mid 63 and 64 ( read link above) they have outlet mounted hand knob flap controls.

65- 67 (and newer) they have a lever next to the park brake handle with cable operated flap controls.

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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:26 am    Post subject: Re: 113 VW 1200 deluxe from 1962 - different heating outlets? Reply with quote

Thank you very much again! The first picture was found in a german book about the changes on the beetle, and was an example picture for the heater outlets starting in august 1961. So the picture is obviously wrong?
But the book also states: hand knob flap controls since 13 december 1962. Is there a possibillity, that in germany we always had only the round outlets, and since the mentioned date with flaps? I'm really confused now... however I have never seen the oblong type here in germany.

edit: found german instruction manuals on internet showing clearly the oblong type in 1961. But the manual from January 1962 shows the round style with control flaps. My confusion is gone by now, but many thanks to you!

I once had a 7/1961 and a 3/1963 and never came in touch wiht the oblong type...
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PostPosted: Sun Sep 15, 2019 8:54 am    Post subject: Re: 113 VW 1200 deluxe from 1962 - different heating outlets? Reply with quote

The information I gave you has been found to be the most accurate to date..

pastellgreen wrote:

I once had a 7/1961 and a 3/1963 and never came in touch wiht the oblong type...


As well.. they should not have the oval style.. those dates do not fall within the "62" heating period.


Model years officially by paper start Aug 1 and end July 31 ...granted.. there have been known examples of a few days that overlap or do not align perfectly.


1962
Aug 1 1961 start, July 31 1962 end

1963
Aug 1 1962 start, July 31 1963 end
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PostPosted: Mon Sep 16, 2019 8:40 pm    Post subject: Re: 113 VW 1200 deluxe from 1962 - different heating outlets? Reply with quote

I saw this post and thought I might go out and take a couple of pictures of those type rear seat heater outlets on a 1962 Ragtop (built 9/15/1961)

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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 6:28 am    Post subject: Re: 113 VW 1200 deluxe from 1962 - different heating outlets? Reply with quote

dougallison wrote:
I saw this post and thought I might go out and take a couple of pictures of those type rear seat heater outlets on a 1962 Ragtop (built 9/15/1961)


When you have time.. read this.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=445797
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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:01 pm    Post subject: Re: 113 VW 1200 deluxe from 1962 - different heating outlets? Reply with quote

VOLKSWAGNUT wrote:

When you have time.. read this.
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=445797


Thanks, after looking at that thread and some related links I now see that I’m missing the metal brackets that mount up to the kick plate. I also see that I have the metal ducting rather than the paper duct. Since mine is an early 9/15/61 build date I’m guessing that they must have changed later in that same year production run to use the paper. Certainly would have been cheaper! Unless someone knows where I can find replacement end brackets, I guess I’ll have to try and fabricate something.


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PostPosted: Tue Sep 17, 2019 3:22 pm    Post subject: Re: 113 VW 1200 deluxe from 1962 - different heating outlets? Reply with quote

dougallison wrote:

Thanks, after looking at that thread and some related links I now see that I’m missing the metal brackets that mount up to the kick plate.


Correction, I pulled the panels and see that my end brackets are just fine. The aftermarket carpet was preventing the panels from fitting correctly and pushing all the way back to the mounting brackets. I’m going to have to make some adjustments!
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2025 1:36 pm    Post subject: Re: 113 VW 1200 deluxe from 1962 - different heating outlets? Reply with quote

VOLKSWAGNUT wrote:


As well.. they should not have the oval style.. those dates do not fall within the "62" heating period.


My numbers matching February 1962 rag top has oval ducts under the rear seat. It was my grandmother's car so I know the history from day one.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 24, 2025 9:20 pm    Post subject: Re: 113 VW 1200 deluxe from 1962 - different heating outlets? Reply with quote

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As well.. they should not have the oval style.. those dates do not fall within the "62" heating period.


My numbers matching February 1962 rag top has oval ducts under the rear seat. It was my grandmother's car so I know the history from day one.


I’m curious about your vin. Mine is also a feb 62 car vin is 4587374
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2025 3:06 pm    Post subject: Re: 113 VW 1200 deluxe from 1962 - different heating outlets? Reply with quote

zoti wrote:
I’m curious about your vin. Mine is also a feb 62 car vin is 4587374


Yours is actually a March car. Mine's a little earlier...4529113

I had an Anthracite hard top that was 4303841 (November 1961 but 1962 model year) and it also had the oval heat ducts so 1962 did have them.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 25, 2025 4:15 pm    Post subject: Re: 113 VW 1200 deluxe from 1962 - different heating outlets? Reply with quote

Yes, all 1962 models had them, and the first few months of 1963 production.

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PostPosted: Mon Oct 27, 2025 8:50 pm    Post subject: Re: 113 VW 1200 deluxe from 1962 - different heating outlets? Reply with quote

nlorntson wrote:
zoti wrote:
I’m curious about your vin. Mine is also a feb 62 car vin is 4587374


Yours is actually a March car. Mine's a little earlier...4529113

I had an Anthracite hard top that was 4303841 (November 1961 but 1962 model year) and it also had the oval heat ducts so 1962 did have them.


According to the vin table it is a feb car. Feb started in 453 and march in 460
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PostPosted: Tue Oct 28, 2025 6:21 am    Post subject: Re: 113 VW 1200 deluxe from 1962 - different heating outlets? Reply with quote

zoti wrote:

According to the vin table it is a feb car. Feb started in 453 and march in 460


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