Where to install an hard start relay ?

[62ItalianRagtop]

Hi everyone, I purchased a Wolfsburg West 6V hard start relay and I would like to install it under the bench seat, in the battery compartment (62 beetle).

Where did you install it?
Do you have a photo?
Do you have any suggestions?

Thanks
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[tasb]

To the starter body, shortest run possible.
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[Glenn]

Mine is under the rear seat, where it's out of the elements.
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[Schnitzelfuss]

The JBugs website has a wiring connection illustration.

[Glenn]

https://www.glenn-ring.com/tech/relay_starter.htm

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[62ItalianRagtop]

[2type2]

Out of the elements, yes! Back in 2017 when I was in No FL, hurricane flooded my garage--- water got under rear seat and hit the relay-- car was moving forward since it was in gear and engaging the starter! I made a dash to disconnect battery. Keep your relays dry.
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[KTPhil]

Under the seat, out of the elements.
Otherwise every new connection is an extra failure point.
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[glutamodo]

Just keep one of these under the back seat.

The thing is, on late models the wire for this junctions under the back seat. Not so on a 62. So you'd have extend wires into the car for it. Putting it under the car means less wiring to deal with but it's exposed to the elements and I'd rather not have it there if I could help it.

Now in my 61 body Baja, before I finally got a good solenoid (autostick starters are notorious for this) I had heat-soak start issues. I got tired of crawling under the car to short the starter terminals. That solenoid has two 50 terminals on it so I ran a wire to the 2nd one under the back seat and to a spring loaded toggle switch. However I intended to extend the harness 50 wire there as well and use a WR1 kit relay, but never got around to it. (I bought the kit but used it for something else)
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[62ItalianRagtop]

It seems to me that, despite the current leakage problem, you all agree on installing the relay under the rear seat.

Here the connection instructions by Wolfsburg West

https://serial-kombi.com/wp-content/uploads/2022/10/111998611_relais_aide_demarrage_6v.pdf

If I put the relay under the back seat, red, black and blue cables will have to come out the compartment to go towards the starter motor
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[62ItalianRagtop]

[glutamodo]

You'll only need to extend the existing terminal 50 wire to inside the car, plus run another wire along side it to go back to terminal 50. Connect the others to the car battery.

One thing about wires with ends already crimped on them, is getting them through the rubber grommet already occupied by the battery cable.
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[62ItalianRagtop]

According to WW instruction:

BLUE WIRE --> connect to wire attached to terminal 50 on solenoid
RED WIRE --> terminal 30 on solenoid
BLACK WIRE --> terminal 50 on solenoid
BROWN WIRE --> ground

So blue, red and black wires will pass through the rubber grommet already occuped by the battery cable.
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[Cusser]

I don't have such hard start relay in either my 1970 or my 1971. Might be because I'm in Arizona and have owned both since the 1970s.

Note that I'm not opposed to such hard start relays, but I never trouble trouble unless trouble troubles me.
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[glutamodo]

[OldSchoolVW's]

[62ItalianRagtop]

Thank you very much, so

BLUE WIRE --> connect to wire attached to terminal 50 on solenoid (wire from ignition)
RED WIRE --> to battery positive
BLACK WIRE --> terminal 50 on solenoid
BROWN WIRE --> to battery negative
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[OldSchoolVW's]

[62ItalianRagtop]

Here a better picture where you can see the brown wire

I will check the labels on the relay, thank you.
You say "30 connects to the battery positive terminal (use an inline fuse on this wire)" ... As you can see, the kit already has all the connections ready. Is this fuse really necessary? What's the risk of not using it?
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