Installed the NGK BP6ET (NGK 1263) plugs...

meyervw

WOW what a difference. The idle is better, taking off from a stop is smoother and no more misfires. Gustav LOVES these plugs. The ones that were in there were the Bosch heavy duty with Uranium. Well the sucks from the start. I finally found a place locally that had the NGK plugs. I put them in last night and I am impressed. Thanks for the tip on these plugs.

wgargan · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:30 pm Post subject:

who had them?
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meyervw · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:32 pm Post subject:

The last place I thought of.... NAPA auto parts.

wgargan · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:35 pm Post subject:

good to know thanks.
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presslab · Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 9:59 pm Post subject:

Your spark plugs are glowing green! Laughing

I've tried the Bosch Platinum plugs and I was not impressed at all. They might last longer but the performance is not good. I only use NGK plugs, lately I've been using the BPR6EY type (with the forked center electrode) with good results.

tencentlife · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:43 am Post subject:

I turned my back on exotic electrode metals for this particular ignition system many years ago; never seemed to work too smoothly with platinums. Copper core electrodes seem to have the right discharge characteristics to work smoothly with it. The BP6ET's have been my preferred plug for many years now, even though they're a bit hard to find. Toldja you'd like 'em!

The triple grounding electrodes offer certain advantages for long-term wear so they do perform well for a lot of miles. The sharpness of the upper edge of the center pole is where the spark is focused, so sharing the load round and round makes that limited resource go farther before it all rounds off. I've found the same true for the Bosch tri-electrode ones, which are a good substitute, but also hard to find sometimes. I slightly prefer NGK, though, but not for any real objective reasons, I've just preferred that brand for years.

Thanks for the tip on NAPA; I'll check to see if my local stores stock these. As it is I order several sets at a time from some unknown online supplier, can't even remember their name right now.
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swmontana · Samba Member Joined: February 13, 2007 Posts: 100

I looked at the NGK website and they are saying that the BR6ES plug is specified for 2.1 litre Vanagons. Does anyone know what the difference is between the ET and the ES suffix? (And don't say "Call home")
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Perales · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:33 am Post subject:

The S means Standard 2.5 mm center electrode
the T means Three Ground Electrode

http://www.ngksparkplugs.com/tech_support/spark_plugs/faqs/faqcode.asp?mode=nml
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tencentlife · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 9:37 am Post subject:

If you go to this site:

http://www.ngk.com/sparkplug411.asp

and scroll down to the very bottom of the left sidebar, there is a link for a pop-up window that explains the NGK sparkplug numbering system.
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climberjohn · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:36 am Post subject:

Nice, I think I want to order a set.

Noobie question, maybe for tencent:
Can one install these plugs out of the box, or should the gap be set?

Mssr. Bentley says on Section 28.41:
"Gap = 0.7mm =/- 0.1 mm"

PS - some online sellers are here:
http://frugalmechanic.com/auto-part/772645-ngk-bp6et-multi-ground-spark-plug
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tencentlife · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 10:41 am Post subject:

They've aways been correctly gapped right out of the box, which is a good thing since the tri-electrodes are difficult to adjust manually. Nonetheless, you always need to confirm with at least a visual check, as you should with any new plugs.
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climberjohn · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:11 am Post subject:

Tencent,

That was a 5 minute response time, most impressive!

Thanks for your help, as always.
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tencentlife · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:31 am Post subject:

Caught me still in bed, enjoying my coffee and 'puker brought to me by my lovely wifelet. Even though it's stormy and cold outside here, we're basking in the sunshine of a new, new day.
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MsTaboo · Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 11:34 am Post subject:

Wildthings · Samba Member Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 52718

Just a question to see if anyone has the answer. Why did original W7CCO plugs work so well? They looked and worked like new at 80K miles whereas W7CC and various other plugs I have run lasted no where near as long.

meyervw · Posted: Thu Nov 06, 2008 7:50 am Post subject:

Wildthings · Samba Member Joined: March 13, 2005 Posts: 52718

Just wondering what recommendations anyone might have for an oil burner. My 83 1/2 with a worn out Canadian VW rebuild uses a quart of oil with every tank of gas. I don't get oil fouling per say, but get more than normal of the hard whitish deposit covering the negative electrode over time. The plugs will still run a good 10,000 miles (and maybe more) without having any noticeable missing or power loss.

This engine just flat out will not run right with a new set of BR6ES plugs, bottom end torque disappears instantly when they are installed. I presently have a very high mileage set of W7CCO in it and it runs A-1, but would really like something not quite so old.

I have no idea why the engine doesn't run with the BR6ES, I am open for suggestions there as well.

FNGRUVN · Posted: Mon Nov 17, 2008 7:57 pm Post subject:

Have you tried more than one set? You could have one bad plug.

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snoop · Posted: Sat Jan 03, 2009 2:41 pm Post subject:

Very impressed. Just a couple of hours into 'em, but no doubt about it...an improvement relative to the Bosch plugs that came with my GW 2.4. I noted the same things that djs did.

Thanks for another great tip fellas! I like it even more than the headlight switch+high beam switch=power window function without ignition key tip Very Happy

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