Destination: Daily Driver. Let's get this thing running!

[Seanz0rz]

Some of you may remember me. You last saw me post up about 2 years ago. Since then, my square has pretty much sat untouched except for being evicted from the garage.

here is my old thread:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=4...mp;start=0

Since then I have been busy with other projects, finishing up my BS, got married, etc. I have finally found a bit of motivation to work on the square again, especially after visiting a car show. I also have a friend around to help me now, which is nice!

Here is a reintroduction to what I have on my hands:
April/73 Squareback
It looks fairly unmolested by the previous owners. the fuel injection appears to be completely intact.
I rewired the car myself since the original wire was one of the few things hacked to hell.
I purchased it non running.

The motor has not been run since mid-2010. It appears to have a pretty good oil leak up high, as the top of the case is pretty gross looking. PO claimed starter was bad, it was replaced. I have no idea the running condition of the engine but it turned 2 years ago with the starter. No fuel and no spark meant it did not kick.

Nearly all the rubber hoses are original braided lines. They need to be replaced.

So I have a few questions about the motor and fuel injection:

Should I drop the motor, go through it and make sure it is in good running condition (head bolts, valve adjustments, replace all hoses, etc), or should I try to do this stuff while it is in the vehicle? Or should I go further, drop the motor and give it a good rebuild with new bearings, rings, gaskets, the works?

Does anyone have a rough idea of what I need to completely replace all the hoses (types, sizes, and lengths)?

What is this (left side of the engine):

What did this wire go to:

And here are the condition of the passenger side injectors:

I know I will be needing Tram and others help with the FI once I get to the point of being able to turn it over. Still have to replace all the fuel line, vac lines, oil change and new plugs, plus go through and check the dizzy.

I really appreciate the help! I was so sad to learn of Russ passing away. I had something in my eye the rest of the day when I found out.
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-Sean

1998 4Runner. lifted, locked, armored, and illuminated.
1973 Squareback. She runs! Hopefully she'll drive!

[Suesanctuary]

I'll start, with hubby's help.

"What is this (left side of the engine): "

MPS unit.


"What did this wire go to: "

Have to trace back to where it originates. Back up lights? guessing, as we don't have anything as "new" as a '73 here.



Hubby says more engine pics, please, including an overall shot. Also says replace hoses, do a valve adjustment, while in vehicle first. Start it and see if sounds good first, ie, no knocks or "expensive" noises, before you decide if you need to pull it. Will probably have to at least pull the engine tin at some point, to see if you have to evict any mice and their houses.

You'll need 25ft of 5/16ths inch fuel hose, doesn't have to be the high dollar stuff, and 34 F.I. hose clamps (preferred over the worm lamps.) If you do it right, that leaves you about a 2ft piece to replace the hose from the MPS to the IAD.



Yes, we still miss Russ too!
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Sue
70 Fastback-AT w/ pop-outs


Did you know:
New York was the first state to require license plates, back in 1901. In those days, you had to make your own. Sears even sold Kits! Massachusetts was the first state to issue them in 1903.
Source: Automobile Magazine, Nov. 2006

[Tram]

[Seanz0rz]

Thanks Sue and Bob! Been following the work on wolfie since the start.

I think I have 10' of fuel line that I got to do the front end. I'll have to get more tomorrow.
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-Sean

1998 4Runner. lifted, locked, armored, and illuminated.
1973 Squareback. She runs! Hopefully she'll drive!

[Suesanctuary]

[Seanz0rz]

Engine when I got it:

Not much has changed except I have rewired the generator, coil, oil light, FI supply and fuel pump trigger. the rest of the FI harness remains untouched.

Tram, I will buy you a case of whatever you want! I KNOW I will require significant help once we get this engine ready to start.

Hopefully I can pick up my parts tomorrow and get started plumbing up the front of the fuel system!
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-Sean

1998 4Runner. lifted, locked, armored, and illuminated.
1973 Squareback. She runs! Hopefully she'll drive!

[Mike Fisher]

Running a Compression Test would be useful Now to help make any decisions.
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69 FI/AT square Daily Driver
66 sunroof,67,70,71,71,71AT,72,72AT,73 Parts
two 57 oval ragtops sold
'68 Karmann Ghia sold

Society is like stew. If you don't keep it stirred up you end up with a lot of scum on the top! - Russ_Wolfe/Edward Abbey

[Bobnotch]

It looks pretty much unmolested at the time of that picture. I'd run the valves, change the oil, and replace the fuel hoses. Then I'd try and start it. You'll find out real quick IF the fuel pump died. I wouldn't worry too much about doing a compression test at this time. I'd be more worried about a rod or main bearing noise, since it hasn't ran in a while. Did it run when you got it? If so, then you might not really need too much get it up and going again.
At this time, I wouldn't worry too much about the loose wire, as it's probably for the back up lights. A little digging will tell you for sure though.

I've seen worse, and yours looks like it should be easy to get up and running again. Like Sue mentioned, I'd be more worried about a mouse nest under the 1-2 engine tin, as they like to make nests there. You might get lucky though, and not have anything there, but it does happen. Keep us updated at what you find.
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Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120

[Seanz0rz]

Thanks Bob and Mike for your input!

The car did not run when I bought it. "The starter is bad" was the PO's explanation. I replaced the starter and found that the wiring was so hacked up that I set about replacing that. Once I got it to a point where I could try to start it, I ran the starter and the engine turned, I didn't hear expensive noises. No fuel in the tank and no power to the coil meant it wasn't going to start anyway!

A compression test will come once I replace the fuel lines and get some other stuff tidied up.

Since I got it with a broken window regulator, the mouse decided the front passenger seat would be an optimal place for a nest. I have seen no other evidence of rodents except for the crunchy spot on the back of the seat.

Getting a late start today, but I think I will go track down some fuel line and clamps. I also need to dig out the wiring diagrams and do a good check of all electrical systems.
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-Sean

1998 4Runner. lifted, locked, armored, and illuminated.
1973 Squareback. She runs! Hopefully she'll drive!

[Tram]

[Seanz0rz]

All injectors look like this:

I removed the lead hose and then the collar fell off. I did a quick cleanup on them and put new large and small grommets I got from Cip1 years ago.

I ran out of hose clamps. I get the rest in the mail on Thursday. My FLAPS disappoint me in their availability of parts sometimes...

Basically I got new hose going to the Cold Start Injector, Fuel Pressure Regulator, the passenger side injectors, cross over hose, and part of the driver side injectors.

Tomorrow I will probably sort out the remaining electrical bits and set about testing circuits.

Thanks for the help! This little car ain't too bad to work on!
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-Sean

1998 4Runner. lifted, locked, armored, and illuminated.
1973 Squareback. She runs! Hopefully she'll drive!

[Bobnotch]

Have you verified whether the fuel pump works yet? I'm only asking, as you've got the injectors out, that would be the best time to check the spray pattern on them. I'd hate to see you install them, only to find out 1 is pissing, and another isn't doing shit. BTDT before. All 4 should have a nice cone shaped spray pattern.
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Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120

[Seanz0rz]

That's probably a good idea Bob, but I will have to do that later. Some of those lines look pretty bad, and I have already seen some pretty bad decay on the more sheltered lines, I can't imagine how bad the fronts are!

For the larger vacuum lines, I am measuring them between 3/8" and 7/16" ID. Supposing I should go with a 3/8" heater hose for these? Or just stick to a less expensive silicone vacuum hose?

The vac line to the MPS I will use a left over piece of fuel line. The only other line I see is the 1/8" line to the distributor.

Any clue how many lineal feet I need of the 3/8" hose?
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-Sean

1998 4Runner. lifted, locked, armored, and illuminated.
1973 Squareback. She runs! Hopefully she'll drive!

[Suesanctuary]

[Seanz0rz]

Thanks! I will look into replacing those real soon.

Got my hose clamps a few minutes ago, so I didn't get much done in the way of fuel lines today. I did however lift the car and did some other needed work.

I replaced the shifter bushing and coupling. Even with these new parts, I still have about 1"-1.5" of side to side play in the shifter when it is in gear. I don't think that is normal...

I have managed to completely lose my Bentley manual. Need to find that...
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-Sean

1998 4Runner. lifted, locked, armored, and illuminated.
1973 Squareback. She runs! Hopefully she'll drive!

[Tram]

[Seanz0rz]

yeah, I am more concerned with that slop in the shifter. sounds like it is hitting the tunnel. Overall, it was a frustrating experience dealing with a crap Empi coupling, but everything else wasn't too bad.
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-Sean

1998 4Runner. lifted, locked, armored, and illuminated.
1973 Squareback. She runs! Hopefully she'll drive!

[vlad01]

[Seanz0rz]

Found my Bentley! It's more purple than brown, but it works! My shifter is installed correctly, so I am not sure what the deal is, hopefully it is not the trans.


Another question: the 3mm hard lines that run down the sides of the pan and are somehow connected to the emissions system are mostly gone. should I worry about reconnecting those or just leave it be, or is there a recommended procedure for deleting those components?
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-Sean

1998 4Runner. lifted, locked, armored, and illuminated.
1973 Squareback. She runs! Hopefully she'll drive!

[Bobnotch]