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65wagon
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 Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 11:02 am Post subject: Vw trans type 3 |
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Question - my type 3 had a type one engine installed with
Rigid mount no rubber bushings. I’m going to put back the original type 3 motor, will I need to rework trans Mount ? Wondering if the height will be an issue as someone previously cut out rear engine bay to fit type one motor and I have since repaired it to put back the original engine hatch access lid. Also note le throw out bearing is that of a type one by the looks of clips that retain the throw out bearing they are more U shaped than the others that look like a spring loaded clip. Can either clips be used ? |
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Erik G
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:33 pm Post subject: Re: Vw trans type 3 |
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you'll need to post pics. all variable by what the previous owner did. we don't know if its still swing axle, hacked in IRS, what year your car is, what year your pan is etc.
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65wagon
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 12:57 pm Post subject: Re: Vw trans type 3 |
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65wagon
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 4:05 pm Post subject: Re: Vw trans type 3 |
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65wagon
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Vw trans type 3 |
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More pics
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65wagon
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2023 6:49 pm Post subject: Re: Vw trans type 3 |
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| Pan is original 63 numbers matching but can not say the same for trans? |
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 12:59 pm Post subject: Re: Vw trans type 3 |
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Early swing axle transmission with frame horns, so any Type 3 engine should bolt in without modifications.
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:25 pm Post subject: Re: Vw trans type 3 |
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| Mike Fisher wrote: |
| Early swing axle transmission with frame horns, so any Type 3 engine should bolt in without modifications. |
Not quite Mike. Do you know what year the swing axle trans came out of? Just asking as a up thru 66 is still 6 volt, while 67 and 68 are 12 volt, and are clearanced for a 200mm clutch-flywheel (larger diameter). Prior 6 volt flywheels used a 180mm clutch, so not all are alike. We had to clearance my son's 66 type 3 transaxle when he went to 12 volt.
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65wagon
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:53 pm Post subject: Re: Vw trans type 3 |
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Thank u gents I will try and find a number on the trans…
I can see the bell housing was modified for a larger fly wheel |
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 1:59 pm Post subject: Re: Vw trans type 3 |
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Those freakin flywheels!
I knew I should put a question mark rather than a period on my answer. 
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Mike Fisher
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 2:02 pm Post subject: Re: Vw trans type 3 |
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| 65wagon wrote: |
Thank u gents I will try and find a number on the trans…
I can see the bell housing was modified for a larger fly wheel |
Bonus that your modified transmission will handle any Type 3 engine?
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Jason37
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 3:16 pm Post subject: Re: Vw trans type 3 |
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| Or if your car is still 6 volt you can get a 6v - 200mm clutch flywheel from DPR. |
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65wagon
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 4:27 pm Post subject: Re: Vw trans type 3 |
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12v setup, but not sure if type 3 will go in smoothly
thats the question, I'm not certain about the mount
itself and if it will sit higher than factory due to the modification
and thus will not be able to close the hatch if not corrected.
This my first type 3 so its new ground for me. |
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Jason37
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| Posted: Wed Aug 23, 2023 9:28 pm Post subject: Re: Vw trans type 3 |
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| I’d replace the rear trans mount with a stock unit and some good quality rubber mounts. Having it rigid mounted like that isn’t necessary. The good thing is it doesn’t look like the frame horns were modified so there should be no reason with the stock mounts for concern. |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 11:14 am Post subject: Re: Vw trans type 3 |
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| Jason37 wrote: |
| I’d replace the rear trans mount with a stock unit and some good quality rubber mounts. Having it rigid mounted like that isn’t necessary. The good thing is it doesn’t look like the frame horns were modified so there should be no reason with the stock mounts for concern. |
Agreed. The "extra bracing" looks to have been added for drag racing to prevent wheel hop. Some here have added it as well, but I can't say whether or not it's worth the trouble to add for a street car. I'd replace the trans mounts while you have access to them, and replace the trans input shaft seal too, since it looks like it's been leaking.
Since the trans bell housing has been ground out, any type 3 engine should bolt up. Keep in mind that you'll still have to watch carb, manifold, and air cleaner height IF you want to get it all under the floor. Type 3s are know for limited space there.
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65wagon
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| Posted: Thu Aug 24, 2023 6:46 pm Post subject: Re: Vw trans type 3 |
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| Thank you guys and yes based upon some of the things I’ve noticed the car was racing at sometime rigid mount etc but not sure about that mount. I”lll take the advice and look for a stock mount . |
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Bobnotch
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:50 am Post subject: Re: Vw trans type 3 |
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| 65wagon wrote: |
| Thank you guys and yes based upon some of the things I’ve noticed the car was racing at sometime rigid mount etc but not sure about that mount. I”lll take the advice and look for a stock mount . |
The tough one to find might be the front trans mount, as several different styles were used over the years due to the changes in the nose cone. The 3 rear mounts are the same as a bug mount (mount at the bell housing).
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2023 11:22 pm Post subject: Re: Vw trans type 3 |
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a solid mounted trans/engine will be about a 1/4 in taller than the stock rubber mounts on the og cradle.
I have a solid engine mount, ict webers on solex iron manifolds with bakelite spacers between the carb/manifold & the manifold/head. This all adds up..to an additional 3/4 in.over the stock set up.
With that tight of a space between the air filters & the engine lid I had to use some rubber air cleaners.
The stock solex carbs with the original oil bath air cleaner will fit just fine with a solid mount, given you dont have any other issues with your sub frame or frame horns being bent |
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65wagon
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| Posted: Tue Nov 18, 2025 4:18 pm Post subject: Re: Vw trans type 3 |
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Looks like wrong mounts or did I get wrong mounting bracket as it fits if I don’t use new front mounts - was trying to get rid of solid mount. Can I get your thoughts ?
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