Barndoor Bus 16" wheel date stamps

EverettB · Last edited by EverettB on Tue Mar 16, 2010 6:40 pm; edited 1 time in total

I felt it would be useful to have a thread detailing the date stamps seen on Bus 16" wheels.

Please add any information you have, including:
Date
Manufacturer
Riveted or welded
Recessed valve stem, if present

Some wheels I have seen:
2/50 Welded
3/50 Welded
7/50 Unknown
9/50 KPZ Riveted Valve stem
10/50 Welded Valve stem
3/51 Valve stem
2/52 Lemmerz Welded
4/52 Unknown
1/53 Unknown
2/53 Unknown
3/53 Unknown
4/53 Unknown
7/53 KPZ Riveted Valve stem
8/53 Unknown
1/54 Unknown
2/54 Lemmerz Welded
3/54 Lemmerz Welded
4/54 Lemmerz Welded
9/54 Unknown
10/54 Unknown
12/54 KPZ Welded
1/55 Lemmerz Welded
2/55 Lemmerz Welded

Post-Barndoor production:
8/58 Unknown
5/59 Lemmerz

There is some additional wheel information and discussion here:
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=272114

Photos welcome as well.

9/50 KPZ wheel:

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7/53 KPZ wheel with recessed valve stem, fully riveted on back:

3/54 Lemmerz wheel

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Buba · Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 3:55 pm Post subject:

My rims

Date Manufacturer Recessed valve stem
1. 1/52 UNK welded NO
2. 2/52 UNK welded NO
3. 1/55 UNK riveted (unregular) YES
4. UNK KPZ riveted NO
5. UNK KPZ riveted NO

Number 4 and 5 has stamped an "S" and "415"below the S.

Note the different way these rims were riveted

This is Number 3

This is for numbers 4 and 5.

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Drew Ogden · Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 5:59 pm Post subject:

20-09301 has 5 KPZ riveted wheels dated 9/50 with the valve stem recesses.

gatorwyatt · Posted: Mon Sep 14, 2009 7:42 pm Post subject:

nos 11/58 fudrad

not nos anymore though...

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bubba · Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:29 am Post subject:

I have a single rim, dated 3/54 lemmerz, welded no valve stem.
Buba's riveted wheel looks like a welded center that had been riveted instead of welded. That's differant.

Rick · Posted: Tue Sep 15, 2009 5:56 pm Post subject:

guess I'll join the fun. I've got a single 1/53 KPZ, riveted with the valve stem recess. Seeing as I have no other barn door rims to match just yet I'd be willing to trade somebody if they are looking for that particular date.

Bergepanzer · Samba Member Joined: May 21, 2008 Posts: 122

Learn German, mate!

The company was called "SÜDRAD", not "Fudrad".

"Südrad" means as much as "South wheel"

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EverettB · Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 10:43 am Post subject:

Yes, the absence of that term means there is no valve stem recess.
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gatorwyatt · Posted: Wed Sep 16, 2009 3:08 pm Post subject:

Buba · Posted: Sun Sep 20, 2009 11:03 am Post subject:

Updating information

My rims

....Date.......Manufacturer..............................Recessed valve
1. 2/52..........Lemmerz.........welded ....................NO
2. 1/52..........Lemmerz.........welded ....................NO
3. 1/55.............KPZ..........riveted (unregular).......YES
4. UNK.............KPZ..............riveted.....................YES
5. UNK.............UNK.............riveted..................... NO

Number "4" has a S-415 stamped with no date information
Number "5" only has stamped a VW logo without any other information or numbers on it.

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2Pack · Posted: Mon Sep 21, 2009 8:13 am Post subject:

Another data point:

..Date.......Manufacturer..............................Recessed valve
5/54..........KPZ.................riveted.....................NO

Also,
- In a different thread axle struwe posted that he has 10/50 rims that are welded with the recess. By PM he told me they are KPZ.
- In a different thread Tonny Larson says he has 5 2/50 rims that are welded with no recess. By PM he told me they are Lemmerz.

I have not seen anyone mention a Lemmerz wheel with rivets and therefore offer the theory: "All 16" Lemmerz bus rims are welded."

52brezelfenster · Posted: Fri Sep 25, 2009 8:27 pm Post subject:

On the wheel subject, has anyone seen a BD that orignally had mix-matched wheels?

Mine has 3 Lemmerz (dated Jan 53) and 2 KPZ (can't find the date stamps).

All 5 wheels appear to have original paint on them that matches the bus.

Kommercial · Posted: Sat Sep 26, 2009 3:42 am Post subject:

I have a set of
1/54 Lemmerz/welded/no recess
2/50 Lemmerz/welded/no recess

YuichiroM

Hello.
My 12/54.
8/54 lemmerz / welded / no recess.
8/54 lemmerz / welded / no recess.
8/54 kpz /riveted(3-3-3-3)/no recess.
9/54 kpz /riveted(3-3-3-3)/no recess.
9/54 kpz /riveted(3-3-3-3)/no recess.

My 1/55.
11/52 kpz /riveted(fully) /with recess.
10/53 kpz /riveted(fully) /with recess.
UNK kpz / riveted(fully) / with recess.
UNK kpz / riveted(fully) / with recess.

It is a question.
There are two types of rivets

as far as I know.
11/52 fully (mine).
7/53 fully (EverettB).
10/53 fully (mine).

4/54 3-3-3-3 (I bought It from arturo).
8/54 3-3-3-3(mine).
9/54 3-3-3-3(mine).
1/55 3-3-3-3(Buba).
Is there change time between October, 53 and April, 54?

Is having recess or not a timing same as the change of the rivet, too?


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