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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 12:13 am    Post subject: Re: Lower Ball Joint Wear - Limit for T3/T25 Syncro?? Reply with quote

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After my experience, if the boots are good and there is no play, leave them alone.

You can't expect them to be as tight as brand new ones.

If you are sure you can add grease without damage it can't really do any harm.


Thanks Richard, good advice.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 09, 2018 8:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Looking at Zeitgeist 13's images (copied below), I just realised that the fact that the lower balljoint on the Syncro is fitted upside down compared with the way it is fitted on the normal T25 may be the reason for premature "failure" of the joint. (If a very small vertical play can be deemed a failure)

The joints with the design "4" should perform better on a Syncro, where the joint is in compression, as the material between the ball and the cap is less likely to be compressed.

However, design "3" might perform better on non-Synro vans, as there seems to be more material between the ball and the stem, to support weight of the vehicle when the joint is in tension.

It seems to me to be a major design fault to use the same balljoint on two different suspension designs, where it is subjected to exactly opposite loadings.

Or maybe they were originally different, but replacing parts with others of similar dimensions but different construction has led to this situation.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2024 6:22 am    Post subject: Re: Lower Ball Joint Wear - Limit for T3/T25 Syncro?? Reply with quote

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6 years later, and the van is still parked over the pit in the garage with the new engine standing next to it.

I decided to drop the fuel tank to replace all the breather and other hoses, so the new ones are sitting next to the engine, together with all the new parts needed to do the job - HP fuel lines gaskets for injectors, etc., exhaust pipes, clutch, etc. etc.

Bad health followed by Covid put a stop to any work, then we lost our son, who was to help with the work and buy the van, and I really lost interest.

I now have worse problems with my legs, I can drive the automatic Audi, but using a clutch would probably be dangerous if even possible.

If anyone is interested in a LHD 2.1L Digijet Syncro camper van, and could help rebuild and reinstall the engine and fuel tank, or could take the van away by flatbed or trailer, please contact me with any ideas or offers.

We are in small town north east of Carcassonne, and could possibly offer accommodation for a short period.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2024 9:00 am    Post subject: Re: Lower Ball Joint Wear - Limit for T3/T25 Syncro?? Reply with quote

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6 years later, and the van is still parked over the pit in the garage with the new engine standing next to it.

I decided to drop the fuel tank to replace all the breather and other hoses, so the new ones are sitting next to the engine, together with all the new parts needed to do the job - HP fuel lines gaskets for injectors, etc., exhaust pipes, clutch, etc. etc.

Bad health followed by Covid put a stop to any work, then we lost our son, who was to help with the work and buy the van, and I really lost interest.

I now have worse problems with my legs, I can drive the automatic Audi, but using a clutch would probably be dangerous if even possible.

If anyone is interested in a LHD 2.1L Digijet Syncro camper van, and could help rebuild and reinstall the engine and fuel tank, or could take the van away by flatbed or trailer, please contact me with any ideas or offers.

We are in small town north east of Carcassonne, and could possibly offer accommodation for a short period.


Sorry to hear about your son. What a blow.

Considering you are in France and dealing with a Syncro user Alika cubes to mind to help you or maybe just find a direction to go. He's in here often and I'll PM him for you directing to this thread.

It's looks like a great van and project. I bet you'll get much interest and if for what ever reason it's not going good you want, get in touch. Would love a reason to go to France for my first time.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2024 9:18 am    Post subject: Re: Lower Ball Joint Wear - Limit for T3/T25 Syncro?? Reply with quote

Thanks vanis13. Pity NM is so far away!

We have had the van since we bought it in Spain in 1999, just before we moved to France, and have had many holidays in it, so want it to go to someone who appreciates it and all the work put into it.
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PostPosted: Sun Aug 04, 2024 9:35 am    Post subject: Re: Lower Ball Joint Wear - Limit for T3/T25 Syncro?? Reply with quote

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Thanks vanis13. Pity NM is so far away!

We have had the van since we bought it in Spain in 1999, just before we moved to France, and have had many holidays in it, so want it to go to someone who appreciates it and all the work put into it.


You are welcome.

NM is less than half way around the world, no problem! Only a couple days Razz
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 2:51 am    Post subject: Re: Lower Ball Joint Wear - Limit for T3/T25 Syncro?? Reply with quote

RichardF, just reading through this thread for the first time. I do not post often on the samba.

I'm really sorry about the loss of your son.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 5:57 am    Post subject: Re: Lower Ball Joint Wear - Limit for T3/T25 Syncro?? Reply with quote

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RichardF, just reading through this thread for the first time. I do not post often on the samba.

I'm really sorry about the loss of your son.


Thank you for your kind thoughts.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 7:05 am    Post subject: Re: Lower Ball Joint Wear - Limit for T3/T25 Syncro?? Reply with quote

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Thanks vanis13. Pity NM is so far away!

We have had the van since we bought it in Spain in 1999, just before we moved to France, and have had many holidays in it, so want it to go to someone who appreciates it and all the work put into it.


You are welcome.

NM is less than half way around the world, no problem! Only a couple days Razz


Richard,

While I still think Alika may be a great (possibly the best) person to help you with this, another idea occurred to me overnight....

From where you mentioned in your posts that you could have room at your house for someone while they put the van back together, I could arrange to visit and put this together for/with you and then you could sell it or keep traveling in it for a bit longer and then sell it or do what ever with it ( I could also buy it but the 2wd's were always enough for me so maybe seeking it to a Syncro fan might make more sense....if you like the idea, we can talk about how to put it together.

My motivation would be to help you get this done (*), I like tackling protects, to have a reason to visit the south of France would be awesome (do you know any sailors? I have a sailboat in Florida USA and have sailed in Greece).....Maybe I'd even make a trip to my home town Prague,CZ from which my mom escaped with me and my brother in 1980 when I was 7.

This could be a fun project and a grand adventure!

Timing could be as soon as October and maybe in June could be nicer. What's the weather like by you at those times?

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(*) A couple summers ago I helped a friend in Hood River, OR, USA get her 91 weekender 2.1 going after she took it to the shop a number of times and they didn't fix it right so she was worried about driving it on trips. I can connect you with her if you want to ask how that experience was for her.
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PostPosted: Mon Aug 05, 2024 1:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Lower Ball Joint Wear - Limit for T3/T25 Syncro?? Reply with quote

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Considering you are in France and dealing with a Syncro user Alika cubes to mind to help you or maybe just find a direction to go. He's in here often and I'll PM him for you directing to this thread.


I re-PMd to ALIKA T3. Turns out I messaged user ALIKA and they just let me know it was the wrong one...don't know there were 2
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 12:32 am    Post subject: Re: Lower Ball Joint Wear - Limit for T3/T25 Syncro?? Reply with quote

Hi Vanis! Salut Richard!


Thank you for bringing this to my attention!

Richard, mes condoléances pour le décés de ton fils, c'est une nouvelle terrible qu'aucun parent ne devrait avoir à vivre Crying or Very sad

I could help putting this back together but honestly working at someone's house is always full of surprises and challenges, missing parts, wrong tools and so on.
I do this for a living, so I know it's never straight forward, but impossible is not french we say Laughing

I'll come back to France next summer, I could take on the challenge depending on my family's schedule or I could also buy it as is and getting it back to my storage in Alpes de Haute Provence (04) to work on it later.
I was actually considering building myself a second Syncro to have back home to camp with my daughter and wife in remote places, so that'll make the project much easier Cool

Aloha!

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 5:15 am    Post subject: Re: Lower Ball Joint Wear - Limit for T3/T25 Syncro?? Reply with quote

Hi Alika,

Thanks for your interest, but I really want to put the van back on the road here, and possibly make another couple of trips in it, but if I still haven't sorted it by next summer I could possibly arrange something with you.

I bought the automatic Audi Avant, thinking to replace the van, and we have been staying in hotels on our trips since then, but we're fed up with dragging luggage around, fitting in with hotel timetables, restaurant meals which are too big for us nowadays, and being tied down to a schedule. My wife doesn’t like driving it, she finds the visibility is poor with the high window sills of modern cars, and prefers the van.

The van is in our remise in a village 5 km away, and I can assure you that I have all the tools possibly needed for working on it, including an engine stand, engine hoist, chain hoist, press if necessary, wheel dollies to raise the rear end to roll it back over the rebuilt engine/g'box, and all the pullers and special tools required.

I’m an ex oilfield engineer, and have worked on vehicles all my life, so have a fair idea what I’m doing. I’m just not as mobile as I once was.

The van is over my pit, so it’s easy to work underneath.
All the new parts needed have been bought, listed, and checked.
I still have the complete old engine, as I exchanged a spare 2.1 short engine I already had for the rebuilt one.
I also have photos of the engine bay from several angles before removal.
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PostPosted: Wed Aug 07, 2024 7:22 am    Post subject: Re: Lower Ball Joint Wear - Limit for T3/T25 Syncro?? Reply with quote

Glad you two connected.

Richard,

I can't think of anyone better than Alika for your project. And I understand you wanting to camp in the van a few more times. There is nothing like a Vanagon!

Alika,

You may not yet know Ricard's age and experience, just let me say that he just may have more time on this earth than you and I combined so another year may be a large percentage of his active time still available.

To both - I'm willing to help as needed to make this happen. Can arrange my schedule to go over sooner or whatever may be needed to give this van life and a chance for Richard to enjoy it.

...it'll be interesting how this goes!
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PostPosted: Sat Aug 10, 2024 11:49 am    Post subject: Re: Lower Ball Joint Wear - Limit for T3/T25 Syncro?? Reply with quote

Ok Richard, no problem!

Keep us updated, I might be able to help next summer!

Aloha Smile
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