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YuichiroM Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2019 Posts: 57 Location: hokkaido,jp
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Posted: Sun Dec 08, 2024 11:31 pm Post subject: Molding stamping |
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Hello.
My friend has "64.8 Notch".
He began the painting. (in a custom shop)
The body molding and Rocker molding are excluded.
The rocker molding is stamped with "9(or 6?)" and "VW". Right and left rocker molding.
There is a stamp of "S" only in the body molding of the rear right fender.
Five Molding does not have the stamping.
(Front fenderX2, doorX2, rear left fender)
Is stampless molding a reproduction?
Everybody. Does all body molding have a stamping?
Is there the stamping except S, VW, 9(or6)? |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22976 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Mon Dec 09, 2024 12:50 pm Post subject: Re: Molding stamping |
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I've never noticed a stamping in the trim (any of the pieces). However you do have the correct "wide" trim for a 64-65 type 3 (64 is the first year for it), and it's for the "S" model. Quite a few of us have gone to the stainless steel trim that ISP sells (they also sell new aluminum trim as well as thin stainless steel trim), as it's newer and isn't bent. Plus you can clean it up whenever you're doing the rest of the car. In a lot of cases, the original trim is too easy to bend and scratch up (or already is), not to mention the anodizing is fading on it (most that I've seen, and it doesn't matter if it's the early wide trim, or the late thin trim). Maybe what you have is a Japan import deal going on where they keep track of it. IDK, as I haven't seen an unmolested Japan import type 3 before in the wild. I hope this helps.
P.S. This might be a good question for the 1500 Club, as they know ALL about such odd things for the early cars. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22623 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Molding stamping |
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Very cool indeed! Yes I've seen the markings on some - not all original molding pieces. Especially the VW stamp. A good example is around 66 I believe you find bumper blades with a VW and a 66 stamped in them. I think its a VW change thing, maybe a one or two year thing, maybe even a supplier difference.
But for sure - all original ones didn't have them, just some like you have. Like Bob said, people get the new stainless stuff as its way more durable than the soft aluminum that may be dented and faded after 60 years. If your set is nice enough to use then go for it! Cool to have the logo and stamps on it. _________________
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Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1964 1500 S
1964 T34 S Convertible
1977 Westfalia Camper pop-top |
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YuichiroM Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2019 Posts: 57 Location: hokkaido,jp
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Posted: Wed Dec 11, 2024 7:25 pm Post subject: Re: Molding stamping |
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Bobnotch san.
notchboy san.
Thank you for your help.
I knew that ISPWEST sells them.
Since when does ISP sell Molding?
My friend's Notch was officially imported by Yanase (Japanese VW dealer) in January 1965.
My friend bought Notch from the 1st owner in 1990.
It is possible that the 1st owner replaced the molding.
My friend who is the 2nd owner has not replaced the molding since 1990.
I hope this molding is original and I fixed the dents by tapping them.
The Rocker molding on the left side didn't make it to a clean fix (as you can see in the picture).
But I will install the fixed Molding after the painting is done.
Am I crazy in my thinking?
I am currently doing sheet metal and painting at a custom shop here.
Please take a look if you like.
https://www.instagram.com/ferscruautocustom/ |
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notchboy Samba Member
Joined: April 27, 2002 Posts: 22623 Location: Escondido CA
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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2024 8:22 am Post subject: Re: Molding stamping |
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YuichiroM wrote: |
Bobnotch san.
notchboy san.
Thank you for your help.
I knew that ISPWEST sells them.
Since when does ISP sell Molding?
My friend's Notch was officially imported by Yanase (Japanese VW dealer) in January 1965.
My friend bought Notch from the 1st owner in 1990.
It is possible that the 1st owner replaced the molding.
My friend who is the 2nd owner has not replaced the molding since 1990.
I hope this molding is original and I fixed the dents by tapping them.
The Rocker molding on the left side didn't make it to a clean fix (as you can see in the picture).
But I will install the fixed Molding after the painting is done.
Am I crazy in my thinking?
I am currently doing sheet metal and painting at a custom shop here.
Please take a look if you like.
https://www.instagram.com/ferscruautocustom/ |
What a lot of people with original parts do now a days as well, is buy the reproduction and install them, then keep the OG parts stored away safe. That way you keep the original stuff but your car looks nice with a new shinny part. _________________
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OK, this thread is over. You win. |
Jason "notchboy" Weigel
1964 1500 S
1964 T34 S Convertible
1977 Westfalia Camper pop-top |
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22976 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2024 1:22 pm Post subject: Re: Molding stamping |
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notchboy wrote: |
YuichiroM wrote: |
Bobnotch san.
notchboy san.
Thank you for your help.
I knew that ISPWEST sells them.
Since when does ISP sell Molding?
My friend's Notch was officially imported by Yanase (Japanese VW dealer) in January 1965.
My friend bought Notch from the 1st owner in 1990.
It is possible that the 1st owner replaced the molding.
My friend who is the 2nd owner has not replaced the molding since 1990.
I hope this molding is original and I fixed the dents by tapping them.
The Rocker molding on the left side didn't make it to a clean fix (as you can see in the picture).
But I will install the fixed Molding after the painting is done.
Am I crazy in my thinking?
I am currently doing sheet metal and painting at a custom shop here.
Please take a look if you like.
https://www.instagram.com/ferscruautocustom/ |
What a lot of people with original parts do now a days as well, is buy the reproduction and install them, then keep the OG parts stored away safe. That way you keep the original stuff but your car looks nice with a new shinny part. |
What Jason said. I normally put it inside some 2.5 inch PVC pipe with some foam stuffed into the ends and cap it. That keeps it from getting any more damaged than it already was.
That said, if you can restore it and reuse great. But getting it anodized again could be a problem unless you know someone good where you are, as that's how the factory did it. It's also why a lot have gone to the ISP trim.
I think they've been making them for about 25 years now (since about 2000). I know when I rebuilt 65 Notch back in the fall of 1999, I bought their stainless trim version (it had just came out) for my own car, as all of my trim was damaged (what there was of it). I hope this helps. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
Tram wrote: |
"Friends are God's way of apologizing for relatives." |
Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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YuichiroM Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2019 Posts: 57 Location: hokkaido,jp
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Posted: Thu Dec 12, 2024 5:00 pm Post subject: Re: Molding stamping |
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Bobnotch wrote: |
I think they've been making them for about 25 years now (since about 2000). I know when I rebuilt 65 Notch back in the fall of 1999, I bought their stainless trim version (it had just came out) for my own car, as all of my trim was damaged (what there was of it). I hope this helps. |
I think my friends molding may be original, even the ones without stamping.
I see...
So you would rather extend the life of original parts than restore a car with original parts.
When I think about it, I don't mind restoring my car using reproduction parts.
It is said that there are some manga (comic book) geeks who buy three volumes of books: one to read now, one for display, and one for storage.
My friend restores Notch using nos for hood rubber and window rubber.
Certainly, the reason why nosparts are available now is because there were people who carefully stored nosparts.
Respect. |
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squaretobehip Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2004 Posts: 3935 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2024 10:45 am Post subject: Re: Molding stamping |
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YuichiroM wrote: |
Bobnotch wrote: |
I think they've been making them for about 25 years now (since about 2000). I know when I rebuilt 65 Notch back in the fall of 1999, I bought their stainless trim version (it had just came out) for my own car, as all of my trim was damaged (what there was of it). I hope this helps. |
I think my friends molding may be original, even the ones without stamping.
I see...
So you would rather extend the life of original parts than restore a car with original parts.
When I think about it, I don't mind restoring my car using reproduction parts.
It is said that there are some manga (comic book) geeks who buy three volumes of books: one to read now, one for display, and one for storage.
My friend restores Notch using nos for hood rubber and window rubber.
Certainly, the reason why nosparts are available now is because there were people who carefully stored nosparts.
Respect. |
Do you have a picture of the pointy ends? The original trim has sharper points than the reproduction trim. _________________ 1963 Notchback - Ruby Red
1963 Squareback - Pearl White
1965 Squareback - Baltic Blue
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Bobnotch Samba Member
Joined: July 06, 2003 Posts: 22976 Location: Kimball, Mi
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Posted: Fri Dec 13, 2024 3:02 pm Post subject: Re: Molding stamping |
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YuichiroM wrote: |
Bobnotch wrote: |
I think they've been making them for about 25 years now (since about 2000). I know when I rebuilt 65 Notch back in the fall of 1999, I bought their stainless trim version (it had just came out) for my own car, as all of my trim was damaged (what there was of it). I hope this helps. |
I think my friends molding may be original, even the ones without stamping.
I see...
So you would rather extend the life of original parts than restore a car with original parts.
When I think about it, I don't mind restoring my car using reproduction parts.
It is said that there are some manga (comic book) geeks who buy three volumes of books: one to read now, one for display, and one for storage.
My friend restores Notch using nos for hood rubber and window rubber.
Certainly, the reason why nosparts are available now is because there were people who carefully stored nosparts.
Respect. |
Whatever you're comfortable with (nos, good rebuilt used, reproduction). Some of us go with what we have, and only replace that as necessary, while others use reproduction, as the old stuff is either shot, or unusable. In my case, my car came from Texas, and ALL of the rubber was baked hard as stone. The window seals leaked from being hard as a rock (would no longer seal). I've personally seen that on several cars (not just VWs) from Texas. _________________ Bob 65 Notch S with Sunroof
71 Notch ...aka Krunchy; build pics here;
http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=249390 -been busy working
64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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Tram wrote: |
People keep confusing "restored" and "restroyed". |
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YuichiroM Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2019 Posts: 57 Location: hokkaido,jp
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Posted: Sat Dec 14, 2024 7:56 pm Post subject: Re: Molding stamping |
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Bobnotch wrote: |
Whatever you're comfortable with (nos, good rebuilt used, reproduction). Some of us go with what we have, and only replace that as necessary, while others use reproduction, as the old stuff is either shot, or unusable. In my case, my car came from Texas, and ALL of the rubber was baked hard as stone. The window seals leaked from being hard as a rock (would no longer seal). I've personally seen that on several cars (not just VWs) from Texas. |
Bobnotch san.
My friends Notch also has window rubber evolving into stone.
A 60 year old fossil.
...I think world peace is made possible by recognizing diversity.
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Do you have a picture of the pointy ends? The original trim has sharper points than the reproduction trim. |
Original trim or the reproduction trim?
Photo.
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squaretobehip Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2004 Posts: 3935 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 2:53 pm Post subject: Re: Molding stamping |
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Those all look like originals to me. The reproductions are nice, but not as sharp as originals. _________________ 1963 Notchback - Ruby Red
1963 Squareback - Pearl White
1965 Squareback - Baltic Blue
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YuichiroM Samba Member
Joined: October 13, 2019 Posts: 57 Location: hokkaido,jp
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 4:47 pm Post subject: Re: Molding stamping |
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squaretobehip wrote: |
Those all look like originals to me. The reproductions are nice, but not as sharp as originals. |
squaretobehip san.
Thank you for your judgment.
Compared to the Molding on the ISP website,
It's definitely a different sharpness.
Now I can live with peace of mind. |
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squaretobehip Samba Member
Joined: August 23, 2004 Posts: 3935 Location: San Jose, CA
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Posted: Sun Dec 15, 2024 4:49 pm Post subject: Re: Molding stamping |
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YuichiroM wrote: |
squaretobehip wrote: |
Those all look like originals to me. The reproductions are nice, but not as sharp as originals. |
squaretobehip san.
Thank you for your judgment.
Compared to the Molding on the ISP website,
It's definitely a different sharpness.
Now I can live with peace of mind. |
Anytime. Please keep sharing photos of the progress during the restoration. _________________ 1963 Notchback - Ruby Red
1963 Squareback - Pearl White
1965 Squareback - Baltic Blue
Follow ISP West on:
Facebook - www.facebook.com/ispwest
Instagram - @ispwest - www.instagram.com/ispwest |
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