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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2025 5:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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The shops that I know are doing show quality works are using Sikkens. My zwitter just (finally) got all the parts sprayed in base/ clear and the depth its just amazing.
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Thank you for that info!

And just WOW! That looks amazing! Love the color!
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2025 5:38 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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started feeling it for damages.

Jimbo, decades ago I read an old brochure from Karmann about how their bodyshop workers put their hands into a fine-cloth sock or even into the end of nylon stockings, then ran their hands palm-down over the body surface. Having a fine material connecting your fingers increases the sensitivity for detecting body bumps or dips. Have you ever tried that?
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PostPosted: Thu May 01, 2025 7:02 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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started feeling it for damages.

Jimbo, decades ago I read an old brochure from Karmann about how their bodyshop workers put their hands into a fine-cloth sock or even into the end of nylon stockings, then ran their hands palm-down over the body surface. Having a fine material connecting your fingers increases the sensitivity for detecting body bumps or dips. Have you ever tried that?


Hey Rome! Thanks for chiming in! I truly appreciate anything that moves the project forwards!!!!

I am keenly aware of the practice. It was how I was taught by David back when I was 15! He recommended a t-shirt back then. I waiver on using the technique. My hands are really sensitive. I have learned to trust them quite a bit. BUT. I am game to try again. So, tomorrow during my day on the Bug, I will try feeling with an aide! Thank you for that! It has been so long ago when I was taught that technique. I totally forgot about it!
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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 10:34 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Spent the morning yesterday meeting with my friend Tim. Tim is going to be spraying the paint onto the car. After having a long discussion with him on painting the car, I learned that Ultramaroon when shot onto a panel does some untypical stuff. Apparently the spots where the paint over laps causes the particles in the paint to reflect light differently than the flat areas. You can actually see that on the underside of the frunk floor I removed from the car. Tim immediately saw and pointed it out when I was showing him the Ultramaroon sample area!

So, we departed with him getting the paint on order and setting up some time at a booth that he has some access to, if possible. As a back up plan, I am going to reach out to my finisher and see if his booth might be available soon.

Meantime, I am going to continue working the body to perfection until all of those other items line up! Hopefully, just after the wedding! So, in about 8 weeks.

After a few hours of talking and him feeling over the car, he took off for home and I laid down a coat of filler on the roof. I then sanded it to almost perfection and sprayed some epoxy primer on it. It looks and feels really good!

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PostPosted: Sat May 03, 2025 9:24 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Got in another 5 hours. Started on the rear fender holes for the rear bumper supports, on both rear fenders. They had came with the car horribly mangled. Like something happened that ripped the support from the vehicle and the support pieces exploded through the fenders.

I had gone through and welded up the ripped steel, and deposited some steel at the interior sections of these openings to bring them back down to the correct size. Well, today was the day! I started with the passenger side. It was super easy, just requiring a few minutes of grinding with a rasp on the end of my air grinder.
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I then looked over at the driver’s side holes and was hesitant to go for it. The holes seemed “off”. So, I started measuring. First up was getting a straight horizontal line to use as a reference point. Turns out the bottom of the horizontal line in the “ H” intersects each of the jig holes and is the horizontal center of the top hole, at each side.
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So, I drew a line at those spots. I then set the end of the ruler at the point where the fender changes directions near the middle of the engine bay. Using this point, I measured the horizontal center lines at the right fender and then marked them onto the left fender.
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I then ground out the excess material with a rotary rasp.
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Not too bad. Each opening will require some more welding, followed by more grinding.
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Now, I just need to think before moving forward any further on those. I really need to remove the fenders from the car, to do it properly. So let’s move onto the other front fender.
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That poor fender is beat!

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Scuffed up the epoxy primer with some 60 grit and then spread some Rage.
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Blocked that down and applied another coat. Followed with more sanding. A third regiment and then more sanding. It was absolutely perfect at this point! Taped up the adjacent surfaces and rolled on some primer. Followed with some black primer dots.

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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2025 3:42 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

You are moving along!!! Enjoying the information being shared as I start to head down the same path. Sikkens I am going to look into.

Keep going forward!!
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2025 7:06 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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You are moving along!!! Enjoying the information being shared as I start to head down the same path. Sikkens I am going to look into.

Keep going forward!!


Thanks Scott! I will post up the formula, hopefully next week, if all goes to plan. Tim said he would go by and check out the paint and get it ordered up! As soon as I have the can info, I will post it!

It is funny. The more body work I do, the quicker I am getting and the less material I am wasting! Go figure. It is so cool, working these once learned skills, again! They are returning to these old hands. If only that young teenager knew what he was getting himself into!
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PostPosted: Sun May 04, 2025 11:05 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Got in just under 2 hours.That is when I got a call from my buddy Scoty to walk over to the brewery, for a sandwich and a few beers!

But first up. The book I purchased a few years ago finally showed up!
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It is a cool picture book, since I do not read German. Google does though, although it is a process for each page. The book is top notch publishing and so cool to hold and read (even if I am reading my iPads screen after taking a picture of the page!)

Back to the day! I returned to the left hand rear fender. I went ahead and pounded on it for a bit, attempting to decrease the gap between the apron and fender. After several attempts, I succumbed to defeat and took a small lunch break. Returned to the garage and the car with a plan. That being, to add a tapered wedge section of sheet metal, approximately 1/8” at the obtuse angle point, going down to zero at the lowest point. But first let’s remove the fender. Fill several small holes. Then weld together a crack that appeared when I was trying to twist the rear portion into a better shape.

Starting point.
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Removal from the car.
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Filling holes.
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Welding the crack.
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Welded up the apron too. Apparently I must have got a little bit heavy with the easing of the eased edge when I reattached the bolt flange back onto the apron.
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I then set the fender up on one of the rotisserie carts and cut the flange off. I will fabricate a new one and weld it onto the fender.
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And that is when Scot wanted to know if a beer or two and a sandwich sounded good? I immediately cleaned up the garage, showered and got into beach casual (read that as shorts, t-shirt, hoodie and flip flops) and we walked over to the brewery!

Next time I will get that fender completed!
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2025 7:25 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Got in 4 more hours on Monday. Went straight back into the fender! Have to fab up the bolt flange for the damaged one. Here is the old one, cut from the fender, laying on a section of a 59 Bug’s rear quarter panel.
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See it?
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Laid it back down and scribed the cut out line in the old paint.
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Then drilled the holes. Started with a 3/8” drill bit, followed up with a tapered rasp to match the hole size, perfectly!
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Followed that by unclamping it and cutting out the shape with my electric snips.
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Was La!
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Then I radiused the lower end.
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Perfect! Now let’s bend the panel edge over. But first let us clean it up.
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Then took the patch over to the car and bolted it where it was designed to go.
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The patch sits proud of the fender and apron by about 3/8”. This is by design. I will take this and give it a rounded bend, to match the apron.
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To find the bend, I took my scribe and marked a line following the rear aprons skin.
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Here it is, marked and removed from the car. Now I just need to hammer a nice eased edge on this line!
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That was followed with hundreds of tiny hammer hits to start the bend along the scribed line.
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Not too bad! Some more massaging and it will be perfect!
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Here it is. I then flipped the fender skin on top of the patch and scrubbed the Final Cut line to match the skin of the cut seam of the fender.
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It was then set up (notice the sparky shield) and tacked into position.
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Each progression was followed up with hammering, dollying, bending twisting, tacking, stitching, grinding, compressed air and time. Lots and lots of time!

With the seam all welded in, the bend in the bolt flange needed to be welded up, so off came the fender.
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I then welded up the bottom edge radius.
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And the section that was cut out. It is so thin feeling!
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It will get all cleaned up and installed next weekend!
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2025 8:40 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

I find it miraculous the amount of work you are able to accomplish in just 4 short hours.
At three hours, I'd still be scratching my head trying to figure out a good approach to tackle the repair problem.

The fender patch welds would drive me nuts. For some reason when I attempt such welds, I tend to burn through the metal I'm trying to fit together. Embarassed

I imagine your free time to work on your car is gonna run a little short as your family approaches your daughters wedding day.

Then there's the first grandchild. That'll eat up more of your free time. Lol!

Keep up the fantastic work. I read every update you post.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2025 1:50 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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I find it miraculous the amount of work you are able to accomplish in just 4 short hours.
At three hours, I'd still be scratching my head trying to figure out a good approach to tackle the repair problem.

The fender patch welds would drive me nuts. For some reason when I attempt such welds, I tend to burn through the metal I'm trying to fit together. Embarassed

I imagine your free time to work on your car is gonna run a little short as your family approaches your daughters wedding day.

Then there's the first grandchild. That'll eat up more of your free time. Lol!

Keep up the fantastic work. I read every update you post.


Thank you Rusty! It is nice to get a response now and again. Sometimes it gets too quiet on here. I wonder if everyone finally sold their cars and moved into the electric future!

I am just uber focused. I also spend hours preceding the time out with the Bug going through the needed repairs. I will think and draw out a road map for myself before tackling most anything I do. It is what makes me, me! That may be some of the reason for it seeming that it goes so quickly. To me, it seems like it takes to long. I always forget about the set up, clean up and natural interruptions that occur everytime! Just a thought!

Hoping all is good with you!
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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2025 9:00 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Well, business is a little slow, so more free time for me! After spending the morning getting advertising up and running again (been a few years since I have had a slow down), I got out to the Bug.

Goal is to get the driver’s side rear fender welded, ground down, pounded out and ready for filler. The bottom lowest edge has (you are not going to believe it) RUST! I know, I know.

So, I set it up on the body dolly cart and a ladder to get the working area at a better height, as opposed to the floor. My knees just do not need that abuse on my days not working.
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Looks like it already has the new piece of metal in it. But let’s catch up. So, I cut out a rust hole and the immediate area around it, and then ground down the numerous welds from patching holes that has happened often.
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Here is the fender ready for the new steel patch, at a comfy height!
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I did a decent job of creating this compound curved piece.
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I then welded it in, ground it down, primed it and reinstalled the fender. It was then worked over again with a hammer and dolly, well 4 different Dollie’s!
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Hoping for some more progress today. Let’s see what happens!
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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2025 11:32 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Got in another 4 hours yesterday before going to the brewery. First up, I pulled the rear of the Bug, from the driver’s side rear quarter window frame, to move it sideways in the garage so that I can work on it. I hear a loud “SNAP” and the Bug drops 2 inches on the passenger side. My mouth drops wide open. I am like WTF just happened? I come back to my senses and walk around to that side and here is what I see.
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The brand new car dolly set I purchased lost a wheel! How in the heck? Whatever. So disappointed in the continuous wave of crappy Chinese products. Wish some good dollies, made in the USA, were available. Maybe they are but just cost 4 times as much. Oh well.

Jacked the car up and slipped a small furniture dolly under the tire. Okay, back to having fun! So, I then pulled the car over a bit more and pulled out the rotisserie cart. I went over to the car and pulled the fender again. Seems that welding up the crack at that lower rolled edge is not the correct strategy. It just keeps cracking next to the weld when I bolt it onto the body. Plus, the steel at this point is thin from rusting. So, up on the cart it goes.
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I came up with a game plan by “ringing” out the compromised steel. It has a totally different ring to it. I then went through the area, outlining the bad stuff, which needs to be cut out, and indicating where the drain holes are drilled at.
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Can you see the cracks?
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How about now?
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Yep! You are correct. There are 2 of them!
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But before we go cutting that portion of the fender out, we ought to make a repair panel. It would be much easier now, to mimic the bends, than to try after removing this section. Right? So, let me go grab a piece out of the scrap steel bucket!
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I take that piece and cut it down to a more manageable size and bend it over the edge of the fender.
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That extra bending of the piece has made it very ridgid, with no ease in the bend at all. I think we need to shrink the inside a tiny bit more.
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That looks amazing! Let us trace the patch, cut out as needed, sand away the primer, check the fit, clamp it up good and weld it up!
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I then ground the welds down and gave them a shot of primer. Then installed the fender back onto the car. Found a roll of blue tape and applied the tape to the car to protect it from the next step - filler!
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Spread some Rage on there and sanded it to perfection with 36 grit.
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Then gave it a thin coat of cheap primer, because it was time to go be a husband and father!
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Until next time! Oh, and HAPPY MOTHER’S DAY to all the Mommas out there!
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PostPosted: Mon May 12, 2025 11:19 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Got in 2 hours today after work. Got me some progress in. Baby steps!

Ran my hand all over the fender and could feel a few low spots. So, I mixed up some Rage filler, applied it over the low areas, around 1/16th of an inch. It cured and I sanded the excess away, leaving behind a perfect feeling fender at the end. I rolled some epoxy primer on it and set it in the side yard to gas off.
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I then turned the car 180 degrees, so I could get to the other rear fender. I felt it all up and down, getting a game plan together. During the caressing of the fender, I found a small crack at the edge. So, off the fender came. I will need to weld that crack up before starting to make it look perfect!
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With no more time, I went and grabbed the epoxied fender from the side yard. Figured it had to be mostly gassed off. Then I took it to the garage and set it carefully down into the cabin of the Bug, through the rag top hole! So cool!
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Cleaned up. Until next time!
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2025 4:17 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

That fender owes you
I'd have definitely cannibalized a later fender for the donor sections..
SO CLOSE!
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PostPosted: Tue May 13, 2025 8:12 am    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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That fender owes you
I'd have definitely cannibalized a later fender for the donor sections..
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SO CLOSE! But the more I look, the further I have to go! And I am at only 4 weeks away from the wedding! My time is limited! Unfortunately, but thankfully work has been a bit slower since we wrapped up a couple bathroom remodels! I can breathe just a little bit.

That fender SO owes me! It better hang out for awhile, with no issues!
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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2025 12:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

Ultramaroon is such an odd colour

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PostPosted: Wed May 14, 2025 11:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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Ultramaroon is such an odd colour

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Agreed! But I love it! Always have! What is really cool, is I bought this Bug knowing that it was black. There was so much rust, peeling paint, chipped paint, old shit and mud everywhere. There was no CLEAR sign of the OG paint. Sure I could see the paint was different than the outside. But you have to remember my first visit to see this car. In order to “see it” I climbed up a ladder of an office built within a tilt up warehouse. The top of the office was packed with boxes. The cardboard ones that hold files. They were stacked 6 to 8 tall, all the same. I walked along the outside edge with one foot and my other foot stepping on joists that I was finding by looking for the stapled seams of the insulation. The car was about 30 feet, back in a forgotten corner of this forgotten space. The dust was around 1/8” thick. I was sneezing now and again. It was hell. When I finally got to the car, I could only see one side and the front. I rubbed a spot on the passenger window to see into the poorly lit interior. I could not see if it had an engine, nor if there was a decklid. When I got back down. The owner asked if I wanted it. I replied with, “If I could see the whole car, it would be easier to answer that question. He said he would get the car off of the office and down in the shop next week, if I would like to come back out. I reluctantly agreed.

On my second visit, I spied what I knew to be Ultramaroon, but it was so dirty that it was hard to tell. But my excitement won and I purchased the car.

When I got it to the house and cleaned up, I was then able to confirm the color. But still not believing it to be true, I sent away for the birth certificate. That’s when I stopped dreaming of owning an Ultramaroon car and actually did own one! I was super happy with that!

My only regret was being too excited. Pretty cool to be in a position to buy another Oval! That was (looking back) such an over riding feeling during the process! The whole experience was more like a romantic encounter. You know, the whole, “Love is blind” thing. Bet it did not help me in negotiating the deal. I know I was a little blind. But I also wanted a big project.

So cool! Thanks for making me remember those moments!
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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2025 7:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

I love that Rage body filler. So creamy smooth.

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PostPosted: Fri May 16, 2025 9:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Jimmy V's 54 Oval Project Reply with quote

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I love that Rage body filler. So creamy smooth.

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So creamy smooth! And more importantly, it SANDS super easy!
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