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Buggeee
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 Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 7:44 pm Post subject: Buggeee's 1972 Super Beetle |
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1972 Super Beetle rat that came home in a whole lotta pieces. I decided I'm going to put it all together and try to make it run. Then I can refinish one part here and another part there as weekends permit. Can't wait for the spring! Its a California car and I have never had a bug worth dotting on before. When I was a kid I was buggin' in rust buckets. Haven't had one in more than 30 years. Fell off of the wagon here when I saw the pans. One man's trash... another man's treasure.
Here is what I'm starting with:
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wmp100
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| Posted: Thu Feb 09, 2017 9:03 pm Post subject: Re: Buggeee's 1972 Super Beetle |
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| Looks like a great start, good luck! |
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bbarbulo
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:54 am Post subject: Re: Buggeee's 1972 Super Beetle |
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i counted, it all looks to be there 
actually, that's a really nice project. look forward to this coming together |
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DeathTrap
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 2:46 am Post subject: Re: Buggeee's 1972 Super Beetle |
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vamram 
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 4:52 am Post subject: Re: Buggeee's 1972 Super Beetle |
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Find some old American car orange engine enamel in rattle cans and bring it back to orange. Get an original fan shroud and engine tins, ditch the chrome crap. Just my 2 cents, but this should be a fun build!
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vernonc
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 5:01 am Post subject: Re: Buggeee's 1972 Super Beetle |
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Just like they say with some kids Christmas presents..........'some assembly required'. 
Have fun, enjoy and, please, keep us posted.
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Otan
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| Posted: Fri Feb 10, 2017 9:12 am Post subject: Re: Buggeee's 1972 Super Beetle |
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| looks solid, fun project |
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joey1320
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Buggeee
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Buggeee
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| Posted: Sat Feb 11, 2017 8:31 pm Post subject: Re: Buggeee's 1972 Super Beetle |
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| Find some old American car orange engine enamel in rattle cans and bring it back to orange. Get an original fan shroud and engine tins, ditch the chrome crap. Just my 2 cents, but this should be a fun build! |
Thank you very much for the American orange engine color idea. I'll spray something with that to see if its close because I really do like that color and it would be an easy way to hit the nooks and crannies as I go along. I'm thinking I'd like to spray the outside of it with an air compressor (one fine day!). The tin is aftermarket but its not chrome. The shroud is just stripped to bare by the PO in prep for paint. The two cylinder cover tins are some hand formed aluminum pieces that are signed by the fabricator underneath. I put a pic of that signature below because its interesting. While I wish it had all the original tin pieces (cannot top that engineering)... that will be a long term goal. For now its all going together as is and I'll see how hot she runs. Won't be investing in all the heater boxes and fixins either at first. But I do promise all right thinking air heads (including myself) that even at the beginning I will be sealing the top air from bottom air for sure. If the engine starts for me after I put it together I don't want to melt it the first August day I take it for a spin!!!
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Buggeee
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Ceezer
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| Posted: Sun Feb 12, 2017 12:52 pm Post subject: Re: Buggeee's 1972 Super Beetle |
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I'm digging that stance! I know it's not typical for VW, but those pictures (with the hood & fenders) are just screaming for a hot rod flame lick!
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Buggeee
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| Posted: Mon Feb 13, 2017 6:07 pm Post subject: Re: Buggeee's 1972 Super Beetle |
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Well the warm spell this weekend that allowed us to get some windows in is over. Its freezing out there again. Thanks to the help of a neighborly neighbor the engine stuff is parked in my basement now... where it is warm! 
Can't resist setting some stuff in place to see whats here. Uh Oh. Looks like I'll be looking for some OEM tin pieces after all. There is more than is pictured but the neato hand formed aluminum cylinder tins (signed underneath) are not a good mate to the other stuff and don't seem to have the right tabs, etc. They'd probably be great on a rail buggy or something. I want to seal up that compartment though.
...OK. I stared at tin pieces in diagrams and web stores for a while and I think I found all the tin pieces I need to complete this at CIP1.com We'll see when the box arrives. 
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Buggeee
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 7:47 pm Post subject: Re: Buggeee's 1972 Super Beetle |
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So I pulled the spark plugs out and the rocker arms too. I could turn it over part of the way and back again. But not all the way around. Heard a scraping sound in one spot too.  I'm in trouble here. But how bad?
End play. People always talk about that. In fact, just the other week I was showing off pictures on my phone to a guy I know with a bug and he says "hows the end play, have you checked the end play?" Um... not so much yet really.
So I check it, and of course there is some. 0.05 by my digital caliper from the $3.00 bin at Harbor Freight, which is not the correct way. But I get that reading in a few spots. 0.050. Not 0.005. I have 0.050 worth of Harbor Freight end play. I'm feeling a bit sick. I am a John Muir Idiot book guy, not a machinist. I feel my bowels gurgle when I just think about cracking into the case.
So... lets take a head off.
Here we go. I guess I'm going to get to know this motor a bit more intimately than I really wanted to.
So I pull the other head off and one of the jugs is stuck in it, really stuck. Here's my great idea - get out the huge screw driver. Like I said... idiot. Here's a picture of my jug with the first row of fins broke off.
 I guess it will be new jugs and stuff rather than a simple honing and rings...
O.K. well at least the sick feeling is gone now. I'm all in. Do not exit until the ride comes to a complete stop! 
So I could use a little advice If you have a minute. Here are the heads.
Oh!!! The scraping sound. Don't let me forget that. It wasn't the rusty cylinder. No it wasn't that at all. After I had pulled the jugs it still made the scraping sound. So I got out a flashlight and peered into the chasm of death... here is what I saw:
See that!? Look again. Zoom in if you would. In the first picture the left lobe of the crank for cylinder number whatever is not touching the crankcase. Then I pull on the flywheel to open the end play and now... now the left lobe of the crank for cylinder number whatever IS touching the crankcase. Oh boy. That can't be good. That is the scraping sound. I've read some threads and articles that are basically telling guys like me with end play like this to throw this away because the thrust bearing must be "spun" or smashed into the magnesium case too far or other problems in this parade of horribles. But I don't want to throw this away. Do I have to? This is a bug motor after all. Can't we save them all?
Maybe tomorrow or this weekend I'll crack the case open and see what all is in there anyway.
In the meantime. Do you think I should have removed the flywheel before I got to this point? What can I do to keep the crank from turning without breaking more things while I loosen the nut? Buggin. Now I remember. 
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(adopted out) 61 Turkis Pile https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=728764
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calvinater
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| Posted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 10:27 pm Post subject: Re: Buggeee's 1972 Super Beetle |
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Get a flywheel lock with your cip1 order . An orange bently manual , you should be good to go. No More prying with screw drivers when you split the case!! Many threads on engine tear down go slow. Search is your friend , most of all have fun. 
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