Quality of Brazilian Bus ?

[cobblestones]

[surfr4evr]

Way to go on your very first post. Caveat emptor and I sure would be uneasy throwing down that much cash on something sight unseen. Maybe he did get lucky, but I can tell you he got a deal. I'll take a rust-free bus with some mechanical issues all day long...as I'm sure we all would.

[copper1982]

What are these buses selling locally in SA for? Meaning what are locals paying other locals for them?? when i was over there a few weeks ago, I saw a split doublecab. It was my second time in SA and almost broke my neck when we drove past it. When were double cab splits made in brazil?

i also saw a few of the wide bed single cabs.

I heard the usa has some "pick truck tax". Like if u want to import any pickup truck its a flat 30% tax, where as normal cars like kombi's or panels are 3.5% tax. I guess it was designed to protect our beloved F150s and silverados.

i have a brother in law going to look at a beautiful blue 1974 kombi 15 window in the morning. I have seen the bus and its show worthy, just driver seat needs reupholstery. He knows nothing about cars or driving, but hopefully he can swing a deal after I coached him.

[Squeeze Cheese]

Locals aren't buying VW buses for fun. Thier economy in is decline. They're taking advantage of the situation and letting brokers sell them at inflated prices for export.

Your brother in law is a smart guy, inspecting a car in person before purchase. Let us know how that goes.

[mandraks]

[AAkombis]

I´ve been reading this forum quite a lot on the last couple days and its pretty good you can find a lot of information in here but i see there are a lot of doubts about the process to import a vehicle from brazil most part of the countrys has a special rules for classic cars so to import to your country i cannot help to much, but about to export a car from Brazil i can help you out . Here by i will try to explain on a simple way without geting too deep on the language and the tecnique part of the process to export a Vehicle from Brazil my goal is provide all the basic information thar are required to anyone who wants to import a vehicle from Brazil.

1º. Find the vehicle
Check all the documents as;
Certificado de Registro e licenciamento de veiculo
Recibo de Compra e Venda
Its really important to ask for the seller if he can provided one document called (laudo de pericia veicular para compra e venda ) on this document you will get all the information and the real situation of the vehicle if it has any substantial modification as if the engine has been replaced, chassis number matches also if there is any debts from banks or tax to be payed

2º. Set the deal
Set the deal with all the information necessary Like what is the seller responsibility where the car will be deliver who is responsible for the transport till the port dont forget to let him aware by the needs of a document called (Baixa para Exportação) I will explain on the 4º step what this document is

3º. Hire a Trading Company
The export process shall be done for a Trading company register to the (SISCOMEX) a Brazilian System where is register all the documents to export and import goods.
The company will be responsible to make the export process and also can be hired to provide all the logistic necessary to make the transport from the seller place till the Port and there to the final destiny. Usually those process happen on a operation called door to door.
You will recive a PROFORM INVOICE that will contains all the information such as;
Buyer - Name/ID/Social Number/ Address
Seller - Name/ID/ Social Number/ Address
Model of the vehicle/year/chassis number/ colour
Modal of transport/quotation for a customs purpose
Bank account (You gonna pay for the vehicle to the Trading Company and them will pay the seller)

4º. Pay Time
After you agree with the terms of the PROFORMA INVOICE and make the payment, The trading company must provide to the seller a document called (GUIA PARA EXPORTAÇÃO DA RECEITA FEDERAL DO BRASIL) With this document the owner of the vehicle will start a process in the (DETRAN) in order to take out all the register of the vehicle from the Brazilian data base. This process is called ( Baixa para Exportação). This process can be done only for the owner or an agent with a power of attorney. This part is consider the most Important part cause if you don't have this done the car will continuous be register on the Brazilian data base, and you may have problem to register it on your country.

5º. The Process
Just After the vehicle has passed by the process to get out of the Brazilian data base it can be export. By this time all the others Documents required to export the vehicle needs to be done its the trading responsability to organize and to feed you with the information about the process. depends on which trading you hire they normaly provide a password where you are able to follow up your process.

6º. Embark
The Car will arrive to the port where it will be ship to, and will have all the fluids drained, Tyree's flat and battery disconnected and set inside of a container ready to be export just waiting to be load.

7º. Transit time
The transit time as the shipping cost will depend where is the final destiny is, but you will receive this information with the PROFORM INVOICE

8º. Cost for the process
For the whole process you will be charged and it will depend of many things
Where the car is / where is the final destiny/ which service you gonna use. So before set a deal make sure you have all the information and quotation for the intire process, it will avoid you have any surprise later.

Basically this is all the steps necessaries to export a car from Brazil describe on a simple way, You can not make the whole process on your own its necessary to hire a trading company for that. find the car you can do on your own but i highly recommend you to have at least an agent that can represent you in here unless you are able to speak Portuguese and has some time available to follow the process until it be done and your vehicle be inside of a contanier load on the ship then your job is done.
The help of a broker looks unnecessary sometimes but it will save you of a lot of headache and waste money.
If still there is any doubt about the process i will be glad to answer just send me a private msg

[Flensburger]

My grandfather and his much younger brother were two of many quality mangers at the VW factory during the hey days of the Type 2. According to them two, talking about equal quality between the Type 2 and the Bug was simply preposterous. The production of T1 was nothing more than a “great” state controlled project. As part of a German - Yugoslav end-of-WW2 compensation deal. Many parts on the car were with help of Yugoslav steel made. It was not anything new because the Yugoslav steel from a town close to the Austrian border was during the German occupation of Yugoslavia used for production of military vehicles and much more. The T1 was nothing special and, considered a major flop yet always presented in the light of media as a success of the economic boom. The quality was appalling simply because the van literally was allergic to any kind of climate-weather but sunshine. It was meant to be something you would drive in a radius of 30-50 km. Soon the VW realized the bitter dead-end and turned the game 180-degrees. The cards were placed on the popular believe by outsiders that anything coming from Germany must be of high-end quality. Soon an aggressive export doctrine to the USA market began but also to various nations (e.g. Scandinavia) as military vehicles. In the USA it became quickly a flop too. The car was literally --by USA standards something that barely could move itself out of its own way. The ones with less money in their pockets but in need for space choose to invest in one of them. The decision to move production to Brazil was nothing more but VW's Latin-odyssey. Most of the components were form the same place. Either from Germany or Yugoslavia. Put differently, there was no major difference between the ones made in Germany and those made in Brazil. My granddad who lived almost to be 100 used to say, it was the same pile of garbage. I use only to disagree with him about the word garbage. But the van is in the low-end category of cars ever made. Equivalent to the Yugo-car. He considered anyone paying those ridiculous prices to be loonies who should try buying a Yugo for 40.000 Euros. Reflecting over the cultural aspect of the T1: the bottom line draws a conclusion how the car in USA was a poor man's choice, in South America the working-class choice and in Germany a major quality flop.

I paid mine in full-working condition, in 1978, only 100 DM. Production year 1964.

[viking874]

has anyone put safaris in a brazilian? I bought CE frames for mine and they are too small. was wondering if anyone else has similar experience
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[LAGrunthaner]

Wow viking874 that is very interesting, I wonder if the front windows are the same size? I'll assume you removed the front window glass without breaking it, post that size here. I have some new glass (because I cracked mine in my German bus) I'll take a look at the size.

Another good Brazilian thread is:
https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?p=9408999&highlight=#9408999

[TinCanFab]

[tkgeorge_99]

I put safaris in my brazil bus without any issues. Seemed to fit fine, so I believe they are same size.

[viking874]

pictures of brazillian windshield measurements along with CE safari frame placed in windshield opening. Frame pushed towards center to show total size of gap along outer side. If you look at German bus safari fit I think you'll see much tighter fitting safari frames.
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1970 Ghia Coupe
1971 Super Beetle
2010 Meyers Manx
1985 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ60
1988 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ62
1986 Mercedes G Wagen

[viking874]

Everett had posted the measurements for an original German safari frame in another thread:

I measured an original frame I have and I get:
X = 22 1/2"
Y = 17 1/2"
Z = 24 3/8"

That's for the frame. The measurements of my Brazilian GLASS are the same as the German frame.
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1971 Super Beetle
2010 Meyers Manx
1985 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ60
1988 Toyota Land Cruiser FJ62
1986 Mercedes G Wagen

[DockRoach]

Proud owner of a 97 corner window factory upright 1600 with original factory dual carbs. This is my 9th air-cooled VW and it is the same quality as any I have owned. No rust issues, all original metal. The underbody has ORIGINAL paint and is almost perfect except for some scratches from a shop lift sometime in the past.

[Stocknazi]

[DockRoach]

I'm having trouble downloading photos. If you Google 97 Brazilian bus for sale you should see some engine photos. All 97s came with dual carbs
The air cleaner setup is really cool. I will keep her stock. There's a photo of my van in the gallery. Cheers, DockRoach

[EverettB]

Feel free to email me the pics if you are having trouble and I will add them here or tell you what is going wrong.

My email address is below.
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[Kpm1593]

Hi Everett
I imported a 72 Brazilian split window that had the full conversion to a 23 window with a sliding vinyl ragtop. The vinyl top is in poor condition. I actually had to heat it up to stretch out to re latch it closed., after I left it open for a period of time. I would like to replace it. Do you know if the after market tops, like Stayfast versions, are the same size and fit as the ones being sold for the 55 to 67 german models? The outside dimensions of the current top are 70" x 45".
Thanks for any info you can provide,
Kevin M

[JeffL]

Looking at a 75 Brazil Split Window with a lot of shifter play. It’s already in the US. I read posts on German loose shifters and first steps are to check all of the bushings , coupler, and locking plate. Are these early 60s shifter assemblies?

If this is the wrong forum let me know. Maybe it is specifically on quality. Thanks
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[BarryL]

I think you are asking in the right thread.