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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2025 11:05 am    Post subject: Automatic driving peculiarities - tips for driving an auto Reply with quote

I recently picked up a 71 Automatic. I searched the forums for any peculiarities for driving an automatic.

About the only thing i was able to find was to let up on the acceleration to get it to shift to 3rd. (I haven't found this as necessary as i drive it mildly.. (slowly))

Is there anything that a driver should know?

Is it ok to put it in Neutral while at a stop light? How about putting it in Neutral as I roll up to a stop light?

Any other tips?
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2025 11:11 am    Post subject: Re: Automatic driving peculiarities - tips for driving an auto Reply with quote

Is it still FI?
It is vital to good running of both FI and the auto trans that there are NO (absolutely NO) vacuum leaks anywhere. This includes the MPS, all hoses, the kickdown valve, and all the air intake parts.
ANY leak will confuse both, and make them interact, resulting in stalling, poor acceleration, rich running, poor shifting, etc.
Ignition timing adjustment is also critical (normally TDC for a '71).
Make sure your kickdown switch on the throttle pivot is adjusted and wired correctly.
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2025 11:38 am    Post subject: Re: Automatic driving peculiarities - tips for driving an auto Reply with quote

NerdyGunny wrote:
I recently picked up a 71 Automatic. I searched the forums for any peculiarities for driving an automatic.

About the only thing i was able to find was to let up on the acceleration to get it to shift to 3rd. (I haven't found this as necessary as i drive it mildly.. (slowly))

Is there anything that a driver should know?

Is it ok to put it in Neutral while at a stop light? How about putting it in Neutral as I roll up to a stop light?

Any other tips?


Not that I know of. I drive my wife's 70 Fastback w/FI like a go cart, full on the gas, then left foot brake. After all you only have 2 pedals. It's more fun to drive a slow car fast, than drive a fast car slow. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2025 12:08 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic driving peculiarities - tips for driving an auto Reply with quote

KTPhil wrote:
Is it still FI?
It is vital to good running of both FI and the auto trans that there are NO (absolutely NO) vacuum leaks anywhere. This includes the MPS, all hoses, the kickdown valve, and all the air intake parts.
ANY leak will confuse both, and make them interact, resulting in stalling, poor acceleration, rich running, poor shifting, etc.
Ignition timing adjustment is also critical (normally TDC for a '71).
Make sure your kickdown switch on the throttle pivot is adjusted and wired correctly.


No FI... was converted to dual ICT's...
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PostPosted: Wed May 07, 2025 1:46 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic driving peculiarities - tips for driving an auto Reply with quote

Keep the AT filled with ATF & the separate transaxle filled with 80-90 weight gear oil.
17mm plug on the side to fill gear oil.
I love my FI/AT 69 square.
Dual carburetor AT might take a little more fine tuning.
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2025 10:03 am    Post subject: Re: Automatic driving peculiarities - tips for driving an auto Reply with quote

Bobnotch wrote:
It's more fun to drive a slow car fast, than drive a fast car slow. Wink


Amen!
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2025 11:43 am    Post subject: Re: Automatic driving peculiarities - tips for driving an auto Reply with quote

Do you have a kickdown switch on the carb linkage?
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2025 1:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic driving peculiarities - tips for driving an auto Reply with quote

Took my drivers test in a 70 squareback automatic. I drove it like I stole it for many years, as kids will do. Hope yours holds up as well
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2025 2:13 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic driving peculiarities - tips for driving an auto Reply with quote

NerdyGunny wrote:

No FI... was converted to dual ICT's...


It'll need to be fine tuned to get it right. I firmly believe that AT really likes FI. I only say that, as my wife's car had carbs (stock Solex) on it, before I returned it to FI. With the carbs, it shifted okay and drove okay, but the FI seemed to really wake it up. It was like a different car.

It's not really the carbs fault either, as I've ICTs on my 65 Notch before, then converted it to Solex carbs. The only difference I noticed was picking up 1-2 mpg with the Solex carbs. Otherwise the car ran and drove the same.
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PostPosted: Thu May 08, 2025 2:14 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic driving peculiarities - tips for driving an auto Reply with quote

There is no mechanical benefit to putting the transmission in neutral at a light, unless you tire of holding the brake pedal to prevent creep.

The reason to put a manual in neutral at a light is to prevent excess wear of the throwout bearing and to prevent wear of the thrust surface of the crankcase due to the pressure from the clutch pressure plate. Neither of these are concerns with the automatic.
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PostPosted: Sat May 17, 2025 5:00 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic driving peculiarities - tips for driving an auto Reply with quote

KTPhil wrote:
Do you have a kickdown switch on the carb linkage?

As this car is new to me and the fact I dont know alot, i had to go look. Honestly, i had to look up what a kickdown switch is.

I dont see one based on the pic's i looked up... here are a few pics of the engine bay.... (yes, I'll be removing the plastic filter)
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 8:55 am    Post subject: Re: Automatic driving peculiarities - tips for driving an auto Reply with quote

Looks like an aftermarket linkage, without a provision for a kickdown switch, so you'll have to get creative.

The stock dual carb carb linkage has this switch mounting:
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Look for a micro-switch like these, and fab up a spring/mount.
https://www.google.com/search?q=micro+switch&v...&udm=2
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 10:47 am    Post subject: Re: Automatic driving peculiarities - tips for driving an auto Reply with quote

NerdyGunny wrote:
KTPhil wrote:
Do you have a kickdown switch on the carb linkage?

As this car is new to me and the fact I dont know alot, i had to go look. Honestly, i had to look up what a kickdown switch is.

I dont see one based on the pic's i looked up... here are a few pics of the engine bay.... (yes, I'll be removing the plastic filter)
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Yeah, I don't see one either.
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PostPosted: Mon May 19, 2025 11:55 am    Post subject: Re: Automatic driving peculiarities - tips for driving an auto Reply with quote

If you do seek to fab a switch, keep in mid the reason for the spring setup on the stock linkage.

You want to feel resistance in your foot when you fully open the carb throttle plates.

But to kick down, you have to press further, without snapping the cable.

So once the first position is reached (full throttle), you will feel the added resistance of this linkage spring, but can press further (actuating the microswitch).

Once your foot learns this feel, you can up and down-shift with your right foot very precisely. It's worth working this out. Maybe even go back to a stock linkage, though those are hard to find and the switches are NLA (so I posted the link above for those).
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2025 5:18 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic driving peculiarities - tips for driving an auto Reply with quote

Honestly, I have been using some form of non stock kick down switch with out the spring for about 15 years. You just set the switch to where it closes at WOT. I drew up a little diagram of what the OP could put in his car if he wanted kick down capabilities (he really does Very Happy )

First off here is the type of switch that you would want.

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Here is where you would put it.

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Here is the drawing of the assembly.

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As you can see, it could be made with the most simplest tools. Just a hacksaw, and a drill. Once you experience the advantage of having the kick down switch, you never go back without one.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2025 10:46 am    Post subject: Re: Automatic driving peculiarities - tips for driving an auto Reply with quote

I was thinking maybe something off the right carb to activate the kick down switch. I'm not sure how that center part works, as it looks pretty complicated, compared to even the stock set up, let alone your link bar set up (don't know if there's room to mount a switch).
As for the switch itself, that should be fairly easy to get, as they're used on NOS systems to activate Nitrous, and used for washing machines and dryers to turn the unit on/off if the door is opened (safety switch). I mean if the OP wanted to, he could mount a normally open (closes when pushed) push button switch on the shifter to activate the kick down function too.
Just a couple of random thoughts.
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2025 1:25 pm    Post subject: Re: Automatic driving peculiarities - tips for driving an auto Reply with quote

I went out to my shed and look at my original Type 3 engine, with similar linkage, and I believe that the OP should have room. When hooking up something like a kick down switch, you always want the linkage arm that is connected to the throttle cable to make contact with the switch.

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Unless you running something like a Berg linkage, most linkages have so much flex that you can get inconsistent results if mounted in other locations
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