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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:19 pm    Post subject: Re: 1966 Ghia coupe restoration Reply with quote

Looks really sharp. I noticed your antenna is on the right side as my 68 has it. My 71 has it on the left and prior to getting my 68, I had only seen antennas on the the left side. Interesting that dealers were not following the same procedures!
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2024 3:36 pm    Post subject: Re: 1966 Ghia coupe restoration Reply with quote

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Looks really sharp. I noticed your antenna is on the right side as my 68 has it. My 71 has it on the left and prior to getting my 68, I had only seen antennas on the the left side. Interesting that dealers were not following the same procedures!


Thanks! Interesting, I hadn't really ever paid attention to which side the antennas were on. I wonder if there was an actual reason for one side or the other, or if it was dealer's choice.
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2024 4:29 pm    Post subject: Re: 1966 Ghia coupe restoration Reply with quote

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Looks really sharp. I noticed your antenna is on the right side as my 68 has it. My 71 has it on the left and prior to getting my 68, I had only seen antennas on the the left side. Interesting that dealers were not following the same procedures!


Thanks! Interesting, I hadn't really ever paid attention to which side the antennas were on. I wonder if there was an actual reason for one side or the other, or if it was dealer's choice.


From what I've read, it was just dealer choice but I see way more Ghia's with antennas on the left. I know there is an antenna installation instruction sheet which I believe was provided to dealerships and that showed where to position the antenna on the left side. I've never seen any documentation for right side??
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PostPosted: Thu Dec 12, 2024 11:48 pm    Post subject: Re: 1966 Ghia coupe restoration Reply with quote

If you have an retracktable antenna (as you do), it's easier to reach from the driver side and not always you have an passenger to do that for you.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2024 4:37 am    Post subject: Re: 1966 Ghia coupe restoration Reply with quote

There is a route from the trunk to the left side inner guard that isn't present on the right side. An extra hole is for the antenna cable and grommet. it's tucked up in the corner. I discovered the hard way after putting a hole in the right fender for the antenna before paint that later I had to add a hole for the antenna after paint.

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:05 am    Post subject: Re: 1966 Ghia coupe restoration Reply with quote

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There is a route from the trunk to the left side inner guard that isn't present on the right side. An extra hole is for the antenna cable and grommet. it's tucked up in the corner. I discovered the hard way after putting a hole in the right fender for the antenna before paint that later I had to add a hole for the antenna after paint.

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I've read about the factory original hole for the antenna wire on the left side, possibly from you in an older post. So why would some dealers go to the trouble of installing an antenna on the right side?
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2024 6:19 am    Post subject: Re: 1966 Ghia coupe restoration Reply with quote

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I've read about the factory original hole for the antenna wire on the left side, possibly from you in an older post. So why would some dealers go to the trouble of installing an antenna on the right side?


I suppose it's also possible that it wasn't the dealer who cut the hole, but rather a previous owner or a car radio installer.
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 13, 2024 12:43 pm    Post subject: Re: 1966 Ghia coupe restoration Reply with quote

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I've read about the factory original hole for the antenna wire on the left side, possibly from you in an older post. So why would some dealers go to the trouble of installing an antenna on the right side?


Imagine you’re doing this for the first time for a customer’s Ghia in your radio shop in the 60s. You mostly do installations on American cars. The customer Came to you saying your prices are better than the local VW dealer and points to the side for the antenna, or maybe you decided which side. Either way, you rip into it without too much investigation because time is money and you’ve got a half dozen other customers to get done before Lunch.

Once you drill a hole in the guard you’re committed to it. Then you mount up the antenna. After that you workout the cable path.

In one parallel universe you discover how easy it is to use the purpose built hole on the left side to thread the cable through and hook it up to the new radio. The job got done in half the time so you can charge the same and make a little extra. You like this clever german car and think maybe the wife would like one too.

In the other parallel universe you discover there’s no hole on the right side to drill the hole. You curse because your black and decker drill is too big to fit in the tiny space in the corner of the trunk. You spend 20 minutes digging out that right angle air drill buried at the back of the workshop and hook up two air hoses because the compressor is too far away and finally you manage to make a hole on the right side inner trunk but not before you scratch the paint
You curse. “stupid german car, no wonder they lost the war” when you realise you’ve wasted twice the allocated time on this one customer as two other customers have just shown up to pick up their American cars that haven’t been started.
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PostPosted: Tue Feb 04, 2025 3:47 pm    Post subject: Re: 1966 Ghia coupe restoration Reply with quote

I meant to post these pics a while back of the side trim install with the MG Midget clips. They're not actually clips, but stud plates. The side trim I bought was from KGPR, and the plates were not a direct fit into the trim. I had to use a bench grinder and reduce their width slightly and add an angle profile. I'm not sure if other brands of side trim would require that as well. I admit this step was a bit fiddly and annoying having to trim so many of these.

Here you can see a modified one next to an unmodified one
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I bought the stud plates from Rimmer Brothers in the UK
https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-AHA9447?srsltid=Afm...7KSItDCgQ2
They don't actually come with the nut that's pictured, but that doesn't matter because you'll want to buy M5 locknuts anyway so they don't come loose. I also used an M5 rubber washer on the inside of the body panels as a seal.

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The studs are smaller than the side trim holes, which means you need to make sure the trim pieces are straight in line with one another before you fully tighten the locknuts down. This took me quite a bit of time making sure that each trim line was straight and that the two were parallel.
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PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2025 2:05 pm    Post subject: Re: 1966 Ghia coupe restoration Reply with quote

Finally got my tires mounted on the factory '66 wheels. So cool seeing the calipers through the slots!

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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2025 1:49 pm    Post subject: Re: 1966 Ghia coupe restoration Reply with quote

I was getting ready to install the gas tank, and had the thought I should first check the tunnel fuel line. I hit it with compressed air and to my massive dismay nothing came out the other end. I'm kicking myself for not thinking to check this while I had the body off. I don't know how I completely overlooked this. But I picked up 25' of stainless 1/4" tubing and am going to have to replace the tunnel fuel line with the body on. I've read a bunch of threads on it, and have a good idea how to approach it. Wish me luck, cuz I'm gonna need it.
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PostPosted: Wed May 21, 2025 4:44 pm    Post subject: Re: 1966 Ghia coupe restoration Reply with quote

I can understand how realizing the situation must have been quite disappointing but we've seen your skills and I suspect you will get though this successfully. Look forward to reading about it.

Your wheels look good and I have to say again that your paint is a near perfect match to one year only L50F Regatta Blue. Looks amazing.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2025 5:00 am    Post subject: Re: 1966 Ghia coupe restoration Reply with quote

Marcdeb wrote:
I can understand how realizing the situation must have been quite disappointing but we've seen your skills and I suspect you will get though this successfully. Look forward to reading about it.

Your wheels look good and I have to say again that your paint is a near perfect match to one year only L50F Regatta Blue. Looks amazing.


Thanks, I appreciate that! Thought I was about to be on the goal line only to get an offsides penalty Laughing
I'll be posting pics of the fuel line replacement for sure.
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PostPosted: Thu May 22, 2025 1:51 pm    Post subject: Re: 1966 Ghia coupe restoration Reply with quote

That is really frustrating! Any use trying to clear it with a piece of welding wire or something similar? If you can dislodge whatever is in there it might then blow out with compressed air and then you could flush it repeatedly.

I have installed a new fuel line through the tunnel on my Beetle years ago with the body on. I gave up when it got to trying to get it down the framehorn and so at the back I started the flexible hose next to the gearshift coupler and out next to the clutch cable conduit. It has been like that for 25 + years, with regular changes of the flexible hose. But I was young and impatient - I suspect if you do install the new one you will manage better!
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PostPosted: Fri May 23, 2025 4:49 am    Post subject: Re: 1966 Ghia coupe restoration Reply with quote

DaveB9 wrote:
That is really frustrating! Any use trying to clear it with a piece of welding wire or something similar? If you can dislodge whatever is in there it might then blow out with compressed air and then you could flush it repeatedly.

I have installed a new fuel line through the tunnel on my Beetle years ago with the body on. I gave up when it got to trying to get it down the framehorn and so at the back I started the flexible hose next to the gearshift coupler and out next to the clutch cable conduit. It has been like that for 25 + years, with regular changes of the flexible hose. But I was young and impatient - I suspect if you do install the new one you will manage better!


I had considered trying to unclog it. I was successful in unclogging one of the heater cable tubes that had some solidified gunk in it. But my concern is what if in trying to unclog it, I unwittingly breach it - something I won't know until fuel leaks everywhere. It's 59 year old tubing, may as well replace it.

Here's my plan that I picked up from a post in the Beetle forum. Run the tubing in straight from the front through the inspection port between the front beams until I can see it at the rear inspection hatch where the shift coupler is. Then run weed whacker line in through the frame horn until I see it in the rear inspection hatch. Duct tape the weed whacker line to the tubing and use it to guide/pull the tubing down and out of the frame horn. From there it's a matter of cutting the front of the tubing and continuing to pull it through until I can guide it up through its exit at the front of the tunnel. Once it's out both ends, trim the ends with a tubing cutter, and use metal zip ties to secure it in place in the tunnel.
Easier said than done, but that's the plan.
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Previously owned:
98 Porsche Boxster, silver, 2.5L -- 67 Karmann Ghia, Black, 1500sp -- 98 BMW Z3, Atlanta Blue Metallic, 2.8L I6 -- 75 Porsche 914, Laguna Blue, 2270cc -- 72 Porsche 914, Signal Orange, 1.7 FI -- 74 Karmann Ghia, Black, 1600dp -- 74 Triumph TR6 with O.D., sapphire blue
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