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SGKent  Samba Member

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Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 6:02 pm Post subject: Re: Engine/Transmission removed where and how would you start? |
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lil-jinx wrote: |
my apologies ,i read your post as having to bend the washer to lock the bolt.i agree that the washer is there to give the lock bolts some bite |
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poundman Samba Member

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Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Engine/Transmission removed where and how would you start? |
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Ok, I ate my spinach and was able to get the flywheel off. Here are the pictures before cleaning and after. It appears the seal was leaking. It was very brittle. This is consistent with the leaking when split the transmission and all the oil on the bottom side of the engine and transmission. I see the o ring now. Looks like I need to order the round metal plate and some new bolts per recommendation mentioned above.
Tell me what you see. I assume the small round plugs are the ones I need to peen, not the larger one directly below the crank. What is the larger round item?
Before cleaning
After cleaning.
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SGKent  Samba Member

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Posted: Wed May 21, 2025 10:20 pm Post subject: Re: Engine/Transmission removed where and how would you start? |
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cam plug _________________ "Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it." - George Carlin |
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Wildthings Samba Member

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Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 4:30 am Post subject: Re: Engine/Transmission removed where and how would you start? |
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There are three plugs the reside behind the flywheel that you need to peen around, they are all the same size. There are other galley plugs around the engine that are smaller that can also be peened around, but their smaller size means there is less pressure trying to force them out, so it's less important to peen them. The one below the cylinders (can't remember which side) can not be peened with the cylinders installed. |
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poundman Samba Member

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Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 6:29 am Post subject: Re: Engine/Transmission removed where and how would you start? |
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Wildthings wrote: |
There are three plugs the reside behind the flywheel that you need to peen around, they are all the same size. There are other galley plugs around the engine that are smaller that can also be peened around, but their smaller size means there is less pressure trying to force them out, so it's less important to peen them. The one below the cylinders (can't remember which side) can not be peened with the cylinders installed. |
Are these the 3 plugs in blue circle? If I remove cylinders I will look for those.
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lil-jinx Samba Member
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Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 8:27 am Post subject: Re: Engine/Transmission removed where and how would you start? |
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you may be able to remove that roller bearing ,by packing grease in the hole and driving a dowel,with a close fit to the bearing,in the grease will push the bearing out,much like removing the starter bushing.and it should not harm the bearing, _________________ https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=620186
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SGKent  Samba Member

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Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 10:05 am Post subject: Re: Engine/Transmission removed where and how would you start? |
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clean the plugs with a dremel wire brush, peen very carefully with a sharp punch to fold the aluminum over the plug, clean with acetone on a rag, and cover with JB Weld. They won't come out that way. It is safer than pulling and tapping. _________________ "Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it." - George Carlin |
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Wildthings Samba Member

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Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 10:41 am Post subject: Re: Engine/Transmission removed where and how would you start? |
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poundman wrote: |
Wildthings wrote: |
There are three plugs the reside behind the flywheel that you need to peen around, they are all the same size. There are other galley plugs around the engine that are smaller that can also be peened around, but their smaller size means there is less pressure trying to force them out, so it's less important to peen them. The one below the cylinders (can't remember which side) can not be peened with the cylinders installed. |
Are these the 3 plugs in blue circle? If I remove cylinders I will look for those.
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Yes those are the ones that must need staking. There are pictures out there that show all the plugs, most are on the other end of the engine, while one or two are near where the oil filter adapter mounts and then the one below the cylinders. |
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poundman Samba Member

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SGKent  Samba Member

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Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 2:01 pm Post subject: Re: Engine/Transmission removed where and how would you start? |
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I would call bus depot and talk with one of the guys / gals who actually order things to be sure they are available in a reasonable period of time. Most places show NLA except for some generic replacements available thru them from Classic VW DE, which can be a repop and not the original VW part. Buslab also shows no longer available so you may have to dig for them. some places sell the N0143361 B instead which is shown as a 25mm long bolt and if accurate as to specs it will bottom out on a bus flywheel and crankshaft. Bus flywheel bolts are 22mm long. _________________ "Most people don't know what they're doing, and a lot of them are really good at it." - George Carlin |
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Globedog12 Samba Member

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Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 3:47 pm Post subject: Re: Engine/Transmission removed where and how would you start? |
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lil-jinx wrote: |
you may be able to remove that roller bearing ,by packing grease in the hole and driving a dowel,with a close fit to the bearing,in the grease will push the bearing out,much like removing the starter bushing.and it should not harm the bearing, |
I had great luck recently with bread. I wish I took a video. I couldn’t believe how well it worked. I used some cheap white bread and I think a 9/16 bolt. _________________ 1976 VW Type 2 Original fuel injection |
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Wildthings Samba Member

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Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 3:50 pm Post subject: Re: Engine/Transmission removed where and how would you start? |
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I don't remember a single thread here on the Samba mentioning reused (or even new) flywheel bolts snapping or stretching. If you run 7000 rpms constantly and letting the clutch out at full throttle is your thing then maybe you should use new bolts.
You of course have no idea if every mechanic before you used a torque wrench on the bolt and either too loose or too tight can degrade a bolt in this application. |
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SGKent  Samba Member

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Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 3:58 pm Post subject: Re: Engine/Transmission removed where and how would you start? |
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Globedog12 wrote: |
lil-jinx wrote: |
you may be able to remove that roller bearing ,by packing grease in the hole and driving a dowel,with a close fit to the bearing,in the grease will push the bearing out,much like removing the starter bushing.and it should not harm the bearing, |
I had great luck recently with bread. I wish I took a video. I couldn’t believe how well it worked. I used some cheap white bread and I think a 9/16 bolt. |
The process of packing something in there, grease, bread etc., works depending how tight the bearing is in the crank. The bad news is that one has to pound on the thrust surfaces over and over to make it happen, and sometimes all that happens is the inner race and needles fall apart. A slap hammer with a pilot bearing puller is a great tool to have around. I once spent two days trying all the methods above as well as a cape chisel trying to get a similar bearing out of a 124 Spider Fiat engine. I stopped by to see a friend late in the day, and he asked how the day was going. When I told him, he went to his tool box, handed me a tool and said it works like this. I went home that night and in 1 minute had the remnants of the bearing out I had been working on. Still have the cape chisel it destroyed, and several blind bearing pullers of my own that I have used on all sorts of blind bearings.
lots of different styles.
https://www.harborfreight.com/slide-hammer-and-puller-set-14-piece-56894.html
https://www.harborfreight.com/two-jaw-pilot-bearin...qhEALw_wcB
https://www.harborfreight.com/slide-hammer-and-bea...SQEALw_wcB
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poundman Samba Member

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Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 4:33 pm Post subject: Re: Engine/Transmission removed where and how would you start? |
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Wildthings wrote: |
I don't remember a single thread here on the Samba mentioning reused (or even new) flywheel bolts snapping or stretching. If you run 7000 rpms constantly and letting the clutch out at full throttle is your thing then maybe you should use new bolts.
You of course have no idea if every mechanic before you used a torque wrench on the bolt and either too loose or too tight can degrade a bolt in this application. |
Thanks for the perspective. I think I will roll with the old bolts, I have to remember this is not a daily driver, just a nice hobby right now. I don't want the hobby to start feeling like a job, search for parts _________________ -----------------------------------------
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poundman Samba Member

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Posted: Thu May 22, 2025 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: Engine/Transmission removed where and how would you start? |
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SGKent wrote: |
Globedog12 wrote: |
lil-jinx wrote: |
you may be able to remove that roller bearing ,by packing grease in the hole and driving a dowel,with a close fit to the bearing,in the grease will push the bearing out,much like removing the starter bushing.and it should not harm the bearing, |
I had great luck recently with bread. I wish I took a video. I couldn’t believe how well it worked. I used some cheap white bread and I think a 9/16 bolt. |
The process of packing something in there, grease, bread etc., works depending how tight the bearing is in the crank. The bad news is that one has to pound on the thrust surfaces over and over to make it happen, and sometimes all that happens is the inner race and needles fall apart. A slap hammer with a pilot bearing puller is a great tool to have around. I once spent two days trying all the methods above as well as a cape chisel trying to get a similar bearing out of a 124 Spider Fiat engine. I stopped by to see a friend late in the day, and he asked how the day was going. When I told him, he went to his tool box, handed me a tool and said it works like this. I went home that night and in 1 minute had the remnants of the bearing out I had been working on. Still have the cape chisel it destroyed, and several blind bearing pullers of my own that I have used on all sorts of blind bearings.
lots of different styles.
https://www.harborfreight.com/slide-hammer-and-puller-set-14-piece-56894.html
https://www.harborfreight.com/two-jaw-pilot-bearin...qhEALw_wcB
https://www.harborfreight.com/slide-hammer-and-bea...SQEALw_wcB
https://www.amazon.com/LainKeen-Bearing-Internal-E...Y&th=1 |
That first one might work for me. This post has been a real wealth of information and support. I tend to understand best after I have something apart, then I ask questions to confirm my understanding. _________________ -----------------------------------------
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poundman Samba Member

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Posted: Mon May 26, 2025 8:21 pm Post subject: Re: Engine/Transmission removed where and how would you start? |
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I picked up the 2lb harbor freight slide hammer. Unfortunately the hooks are too rounded so it just destroyed the bearing. Now just have the sleeve and the tool will not pull it out. I can either grind down the arms to 90deg angle and try, or just using a dremel and grind down enough to weaken then use needle nose pliers.
I would like to split the fan shroud so I can clean it really good on the inside. I understand there are a few dowels holding it together. It seems they are on the inside edges. Any tips on getting this separated. the oil stick goes thru both sides and makes it more tricky. _________________ -----------------------------------------
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SGKent  Samba Member

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Posted: Mon May 26, 2025 10:15 pm Post subject: Re: Engine/Transmission removed where and how would you start? |
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poundman wrote: |
I picked up the 2lb harbor freight slide hammer. Unfortunately the hooks are too rounded so it just destroyed the bearing. Now just have the sleeve and the tool will not pull it out. I can either grind down the arms to 90deg angle and try, or just using a dremel and grind down enough to weaken then use needle nose pliers.
I would like to split the fan shroud so I can clean it really good on the inside. I understand there are a few dowels holding it together. It seems they are on the inside edges. Any tips on getting this separated. the oil stick goes thru both sides and makes it more tricky. |
Isn't there an attachment that has an L on the end that you can slide behind the bearing? Or the piece you can put two of the black L shape pullers on facing out?
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Wildthings Samba Member

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Posted: Mon May 26, 2025 11:51 pm Post subject: Re: Engine/Transmission removed where and how would you start? |
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I had a pilot bearing spin when it locked up to the input shaft and weld itself to the crankshaft. I ended up grinding it out with a Dremel like tool. Had to make three cuts to be able to break the welds loose which still didn't take very long.
I have a three finger Harbor freight pilot bearing tool, where you put the three fingers into the bearing and then tighten an adjustment to force the fingers outward and another adjustment to put pressure against the crank to pull the bearing out. Works as well as some of the much more expensive tools I have used. |
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Wildthings Samba Member

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Posted: Tue May 27, 2025 12:02 am Post subject: Re: Engine/Transmission removed where and how would you start? |
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poundman wrote: |
I would like to split the fan shroud so I can clean it really good on the inside. I understand there are a few dowels holding it together. It seems they are on the inside edges. Any tips on getting this separated. the oil stick goes thru both sides and makes it more tricky. |
You of course have to remove all the bolts holding the two halves together and then if the dowels are being held in place by corrosion use a penetrant to help loosen them up. |
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THall Samba Member

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Posted: Tue May 27, 2025 3:44 am Post subject: Re: Engine/Transmission removed where and how would you start? |
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poundman wrote: |
I would like to split the fan shroud so I can clean it really good on the inside. I understand there are a few dowels holding it together. It seems they are on the inside edges. Any tips on getting this separated. the oil stick goes thru both sides and makes it more tricky. |
I use wooden shims. The kind you buy in a bundle at the hardware store to use with a door frame or window in the house.
Get six or so started around the perimeter of the shroud and keep working your way around knocking them in and the dowels will come apart and the shroud will separate. _________________ '78 Westy - 2.0 FI |
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