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calsurf
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 Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 2:05 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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| It passed the CA state senate yesterday 32-3. On to the next step |
What passed???? |
SB712 Leno's law passed the State Senate. Anyone correct me if I'm wrong, but I believe it's now onto the State Assembly. IF it passes here, it's onto Gov. Newsome's desk to sign or veto. Wouldn't come into effect until Jan. 1st of 2027 if then. Apparently the collectors car insurance and historic Lic. plate clauses are mandatory again. 35 yr old+ vehicles would be smog exempt.
https://legiscan.com/CA/bill/SB712/2025 |
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Nitramrebrab72
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 2:15 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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| For every year a daily driver car is kept on the road it's production pollution foot print per year is reduced. On top of that if an owner is able to keep it on the road themselves due to it's simple design it reduces the financial lay out reducing the need to work more to pay for it. Where as a new car are so expensive you have to be a busy bee ,working more hours driving further a field , possibly driving to a second job, literally burning the midnight oil to pay for it. |
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Chootrain470
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 3:49 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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| Nitramrebrab72 wrote: |
| For every year a daily driver car is kept on the road it's production pollution foot print per year is reduced. On top of that if an owner is able to keep it on the road themselves due to it's simple design it reduces the financial lay out reducing the need to work more to pay for it. Where as a new car are so expensive you have to be a busy bee ,working more hours driving further a field , possibly driving to a second job, literally burning the midnight oil to pay for it. |
There is a cost-benefit analysis that could be done for the amount of pollution saved by building a new car vs keeping a higher polluting car on the road. At some point, it would be less environmental impact to build a new car than to keep a higher polluter on the road. This number is difficult to calculate since there are many variables. Is the old car being recycled? How much pollution is the old car producing vs the new car? This would need to be done on a case-by-case basis. I am not condemning Vanagon ownership, but you do need to admit that there is an environmental impact by driving these cars long term. |
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 4:07 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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| Chootrain470 wrote: |
| Nitramrebrab72 wrote: |
| For every year a daily driver car is kept on the road it's production pollution foot print per year is reduced. On top of that if an owner is able to keep it on the road themselves due to it's simple design it reduces the financial lay out reducing the need to work more to pay for it. Where as a new car are so expensive you have to be a busy bee ,working more hours driving further a field , possibly driving to a second job, literally burning the midnight oil to pay for it. |
There is a cost-benefit analysis that could be done for the amount of pollution saved by building a new car vs keeping a higher polluting car on the road. At some point, it would be less environmental impact to build a new car than to keep a higher polluter on the road. This number is difficult to calculate since there are many variables. Is the old car being recycled? How much pollution is the old car producing vs the new car? This would need to be done on a case-by-case basis. I am not condemning Vanagon ownership, but you do need to admit that there is an environmental impact by driving these cars long term. |
My wife and I just completed a 3,500 mile round trip from San Diego to the Utah National Parks, up to the Tetons over to Washington, down through Oregon and Cal home. We saw a grand total of three Other Vanagons on the road and two Aircooled VWs and maybe a handful of other pre 2010 vehicles. The crazies at CARB who have lobbied against the bill make a false claim that the average driver of these antiques will spew as much pollution in 3k miles as a new car down in over 300k which is likely true but aside from a very few number of people (like myself) who drives the vintage vehicle that much? Other studies show that antique cars have a tiny impact of clean air because they are not driven much.
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Chootrain470
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| Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2025 4:16 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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| Braukuche, I agree with you. The fact is that the amount of 35+ year old vehicles is small, thus a smaller impact. There is also the argument that a classic car is a piece of history that should be preserved. |
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calsurf
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:36 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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Senate Bill 712, regarding smog check exemptions for certain vehicles, is currently in the engrossed status in the California Senate. It has been referred to the Assembly Transportation Committee and is scheduled for a hearing on July 14. The bill has been amended multiple times in the Senate.
Key points about the bill's status:
Engrossed:
This means the bill has been finalized after amendments and is ready for further action.
Referred to Assembly Transportation Committee:
The bill has been sent to the Assembly Transportation Committee for review and consideration.
Scheduled Hearing:
The Assembly Transportation Committee will hold a hearing on the bill on July 14, 2025.
If in support please send the CA Assembly Transportation committee a note. Easy to do online; https://calegislation.lc.ca.gov/Advocates/faces/index.xhtml |
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termuehlen 
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| Posted: Thu Jun 26, 2025 8:34 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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Thanks for the link calsurf. I just sent my supporting note.
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syncrodoka
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| Posted: Mon Jul 14, 2025 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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It just went through the assembly transportation committee. The amendments are that the smog exemption will extend to 1980 and annually increases to vehicles prior to 1986 by the year 2032. Collector car insurance and historical vehicle plates with associated usage restrictions are still required.
It passed and is moving on to the next step |
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Abscate
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| Posted: Tue Jul 15, 2025 12:40 am Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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| Braukuche wrote: |
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| Nitramrebrab72 wrote: |
| For every year a daily driver car is kept on the road it's production pollution foot print per year is reduced. On top of that if an owner is able to keep it on the road themselves due to it's simple design it reduces the financial lay out reducing the need to work more to pay for it. Where as a new car are so expensive you have to be a busy bee ,working more hours driving further a field , possibly driving to a second job, literally burning the midnight oil to pay for it. |
There is a cost-benefit analysis that could be done for the amount of pollution saved by building a new car vs keeping a higher polluting car on the road. At some point, it would be less environmental impact to build a new car than to keep a higher polluter on the road. This number is difficult to calculate since there are many variables. Is the old car being recycled? How much pollution is the old car producing vs the new car? This would need to be done on a case-by-case basis. I am not condemning Vanagon ownership, but you do need to admit that there is an environmental impact by driving these cars long term. |
My wife and I just completed a 3,500 mile round trip from San Diego to the Utah National Parks, up to the Tetons over to Washington, down through Oregon and Cal home. We saw a grand total of three Other Vanagons on the road and two Aircooled VWs and maybe a handful of other pre 2010 vehicles. The crazies at CARB who have lobbied against the bill make a false claim that the average driver of these antiques will spew as much pollution in 3k miles as a new car down in over 300k which is likely true but aside from a very few number of people (like myself) who drives the vintage vehicle that much? Other studies show that antique cars have a tiny impact of clean air because they are not driven much. |
The analysis correctly considers the fact that many more old cars could be brought in to escape smog if the bill were wide open to all use. You will find accounts of people here on these pages advocating β just register it in in MT and drive it without smogβ
It is about a factor of 100x for driving emissions, but 500-1000x for evaporative emissions.
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calsurf
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| Posted: Tue Aug 19, 2025 5:31 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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If I read this correctly, the CA Assembly will vote tomorrow 8/20/25 on SB 712 aka Leno's law. If this passes, I think it will then be sent to Newsom for his approval. I pray this passes.
https://www.billtrack50.com/billdetail/1842602 |
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syncrodoka
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 12:34 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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It sounds like it pretty much died in the assembly appropriations committee today.
The way they gutted the bill by putting in restrictions and making it stop at 1985 instead of 1990 really made it unappealing anyhow. |
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Braukuche
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 1:30 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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It sounds like it pretty much died in the assembly appropriations committee today.
The way they gutted the bill by putting in restrictions and making it stop at 1985 instead of 1990 really made it unappealing anyhow. |
Typical.
They are hell bent on pushing ICE vehicles off the road, so why would they support something like this.
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tdivan82
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 2:26 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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It sounds like it pretty much died in the assembly appropriations committee today.
The way they gutted the bill by putting in restrictions and making it stop at 1985 instead of 1990 really made it unappealing anyhow. |
Typical.
They are hell bent on pushing ICE vehicles off the road, so why would they support something like this. |
Oh, the irony. The environmental impact of producing EV's is massive, disgusting even.
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mrinnovation1
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 3:03 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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| I liked Jay Leno even before this! Here where I live in rural north central Illinois there is no smog check and I've lived out here since 1999. The collar counties have to go but they are exempt for 1967 and older or dedicated antique and custom vehicles whatever those are. |
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tdivan82
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 3:15 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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| I liked Jay Leno even before this! Here where I live in rural north central Illinois there is no smog check and I've lived out here since 1999. The collar counties have to go but they are exempt for 1967 and older or dedicated antique and custom vehicles whatever those are. |
I think it's a fairly common practice. Here in Virginia, all vehicles become emissions exempt at 25 years old. No paperwork required, it's automatic.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 3:21 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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| ....Oh, the irony. The environmental impact of producing EV's is massive, disgusting even. |
Not true.
https://www.epa.gov/greenvehicles/electric-vehicle-myths
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mrinnovation1
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 4:08 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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| It has always baffled me why Illinois has emission testing requirements but no safety inspection requirements. Your car can have no brakes or a loose front end as long as you don't pollute! Are any other states this backwards? |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 4:23 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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| It has always baffled me why Illinois has emission testing requirements but no safety inspection requirements. Your car can have no brakes or a loose front end as long as you don't pollute! Are any other states this backwards? |
Mmm, yeah most of them. According to Wikipedia only 18 states have safety inspections (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vehicle_inspection) the rest just assume if you can make it go down the road at all you're legal to do so. |
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tgraham
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 4:25 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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California has no safety inspections. I just figured that people maintained their rigs , sure there are exceptions, but just be a good human
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2025 5:02 pm Post subject: Re: California Smog Exemption Bill 712 ~ Leno's Law |
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| California has no safety inspections. I just figured that people maintained their rigs , sure there are exceptions, but just be a good human |
no need to maintain if the laws are such that you gotta buy a new one each time a manufacturer has politico sway.
isn't the EPA one of those Gmnt agencies were mislead by and are not supposed to believe anymore?
anyway, read all the points on on that page and with all the disclaimers and estimates it leaves me not believing it.
one thing Ev's don't got is a 5min refill...says a prius owner that can go anywhere.
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