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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 2:46 pm    Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread Reply with quote

I wonder if that could be an alternator bearing...if you have a length of garden hose lying around you could use that to isolate the likely source of the noise further.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 2:49 pm    Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread Reply with quote

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Did you put in the spacer/shim that goes between the fan and the fan hub? with no spacer the fan may wear against the fan housing.

Good thought, Wildthing.

Yes, the spacer is installed.

I removed the fan yesterday to make sure it was there was any rubbing.
And was relieved to find it was there and I hadn't screwed up the housing.

But now that you mention it, there were a few very small chips of metal underneath the fan. I couldn't see where they were coming from.

It's a strange squealing noise. Kind of similar to a loose fan belt, but that's not the problem here.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 05, 2025 3:41 pm    Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread Reply with quote

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I wonder if that could be an alternator bearing...if you have a length of garden hose lying around you could use that to isolate the likely source of the noise further.

I hadn’t thought of that. Good idea.

I took off the belt and ran the engine.
The squeal was still there.

I’ll try the garden hose trick tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 7:29 am    Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread Reply with quote

On a different topic of the same engine from my previous post...

The engine (1.8 FI) has a vacuum leak I believe. The engine has to be at a fast idle and fuel mixture enriched for it to keep running. As soon as I lean out the mixture, it dies.

I attached the smoke generator to the small hose coming off the distributor and found a small leak.
But then I took off the hose leading to the check valve to the brake booster...
And a lot of smoke wafted up from under the manifold area. I couldn't see exactly where it was coming out though. When replacing the head, nothing was removed in that area other than a few hoses, which have all been replaced.

Any suggestions on what to check? Thanks
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 12:01 pm    Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread Reply with quote

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.... When replacing the head, nothing was removed in that area other than a few hoses, which have all been replaced...

How did you change a head without removing the intake runners on that side?
I'd be looking at the boots at the plenum, and confirming the manifold to head gasket block isn't cracked or has the edge of the tin pinched under it.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 1:28 pm    Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread Reply with quote

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.... When replacing the head, nothing was removed in that area other than a few hoses, which have all been replaced...

How did you change a head without removing the intake runners on that side?
I'd be looking at the boots at the plenum, and confirming the manifold to head gasket block isn't cracked or has the edge of the tin pinched under it.

You’re right… I did remove the intake runners. And replaced the boots but didn’t check the seal. I’ll look into that.
The tins were installed last, so I doubt if one got pinched.
As for the manifold to head gasket block… I didn’t think of checking those before re-installing them.
I’ll look into that right after I get rid of this frickin’ cold.
It’s too nice out to be sick!!!
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 1:34 pm    Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread Reply with quote

78 stock Westy.
Was 300 miles from home with 300 miles to go on a week long camping trip.A squeal such as yours started, it was engine speed related and increased as we traveled further. I was certain it was an alternator bearing.
As I pulled into a camp sight, the old guy heard the squeal. I was exhausted and he said he’d like to check it out as he was a mechanic. My buddies & I set up camp and opened one of many beers!
The next morning he came over and we investigated. The guy was very thorough. We loosened the belt, nope, then tightened it, nope. He looked at the bottom main pulley and noticed some fresh metal shavings under it.
Sure enough one of the bolts holding the sheet metal next to the main pulley had loosened allowing the tin to bow out and rub on the pulley. We tightened the bolt, sound went away.
The old guy saved the day and my week long trip.
I tipped him nicely and we were on our way. I have since replaced the bolt and used lock tight, all is good.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 07, 2025 2:53 pm    Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread Reply with quote

KentABQ wrote:
busdaddy wrote:
KentABQ wrote:
.... When replacing the head, nothing was removed in that area other than a few hoses, which have all been replaced...

How did you change a head without removing the intake runners on that side?
I'd be looking at the boots at the plenum, and confirming the manifold to head gasket block isn't cracked or has the edge of the tin pinched under it.

You’re right… I did remove the intake runners. And replaced the boots but didn’t check the seal. I’ll look into that.
The tins were installed last, so I doubt if one got pinched.
As for the manifold to head gasket block… I didn’t think of checking those before re-installing them.
I’ll look into that right after I get rid of this frickin’ cold.
It’s too nice out to be sick!!!


Unless your tins have been cut up, then they have to go on before the manifold runners.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 08, 2025 7:00 am    Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread Reply with quote

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I attached the smoke generator to the small hose coming off the distributor and found a small leak.
But then I took off the hose leading to the check valve to the brake booster...
And a lot of smoke wafted up from under the manifold area. I couldn't see exactly where it was coming out though. When replacing the head, nothing was removed in that area other than a few hoses, which have all been replaced.


When Airschooled was here previously - he was helping a fellow bus owner with a "I can't keep it running" issue. It was baffling.........

Turned out to be a tear in the fold-crease of the S-Boot on the underside that was practically invisible, and unseen and unfelt in investigation. As the engine wiggled the crack opened up enough to stall it out. You could not see the crack just by looking at it. You had to 'bend' it to open up the crack at all to see it.

Maybe?....
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 6:41 am    Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread Reply with quote

Slip365, Wildthings and Andrewtf...
Thanks for the suggestions where to check next.

Wildthings: You're right. Don't know what I was thinking when responding to you.
I'll definitely check the runners for pinched tin.

I'm starting to feel human again after a miserable 3 days dealing with a cold.
So I'll get into checking everyone's suggestions soon.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 8:41 am    Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread Reply with quote

I was double checking the timing on our FI 76 bus. Really just checking for piece of mind since it has been running great. After hooking the timing gun up, I was reaching in to get my finger on the throttle to rev it up when I got a pretty good shock from the top of the distributor. Is this something that I should be worried about?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 09, 2025 9:10 am    Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread Reply with quote

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I was double checking the timing on our FI 76 bus. Really just checking for piece of mind since it has been running great. After hooking the timing gun up, I was reaching in to get my finger on the throttle to rev it up when I got a pretty good shock from the top of the distributor. Is this something that I should be worried about?

Look for a cracked sparkplug boot, or a cracked sparkplug wire insulator cover.

I had one a couple years ago on a type 1 that the wires were so old you could see the sparkplug wires arching while the engine was running in daylight.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 7:59 am    Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread Reply with quote

Our 76 FI bus has become our daily driver for the next couple of months. Since it had been sitting on the sidelines for awhile, it hasn’t been given the attention it deserves. For a long time we have had a knocking coming out of the rear end when turning towards the right. I figured it was a bad cv in the passenger (right) side. So last week I pulled it out and replaced with a new cv from our local auto parts store. The old one had a torn boot and had been replaced about 10 years ago. I think it was of the same quality. Anyway, the noise did not change at all. I lifted the rear end and checked the play on the wheel. It had a couple of loose spots, but just barely loose. When spun it sounded pretty quiet. Our transmission was replaced 35 years ago. We were told at that point it was a temporary fix since it was a used transmission. It is still in there, but definitely very noisy and finicky when shifting. The question is… Is it possible that the noise is coming from the transmission, which we would learn to live with, or does it have to be a wheel bearing or defective cv joint?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 8:39 am    Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread Reply with quote

A transmission knocking would be rare and very serious, while a CV would be common. I would pull the opposite axle and service it.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 8:58 am    Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread Reply with quote

A little more information for last question. I just went out and first lifted passenger side rear wheel and spun. Nice and quiet and spins freely. Definitely a little play in the wheel side to side, but maybe only a couple of millimeters. Checked all cv bolts and they were tight. Did the same on driver side. A little more drag from brake, so didn’t spin as freely. No play side to side, but loud clunking every once in a while. When I put my hand on the cv during the process, it could feel the clunk going through it. Maybe I replaced the wrong one?
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 9:00 am    Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread Reply with quote

That sounds good, sorry didn’t see your reply until after I posted. Thank you. Gonna have to drive it for a couple of days before I can change it, but noise has been going on for a couple of years.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 13, 2025 1:30 pm    Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread Reply with quote

Hubster43 wrote:
A little more information for last question. I just went out and first lifted passenger side rear wheel and spun. Nice and quiet and spins freely. Definitely a little play in the wheel side to side, but maybe only a couple of millimeters. Checked all cv bolts and they were tight. Did the same on driver side. A little more drag from brake, so didn’t spin as freely. No play side to side, but loud clunking every once in a while. When I put my hand on the cv during the process, it could feel the clunk going through it. Maybe I replaced the wrong one?


A pretty definitive test is to jack the tire off the ground using a hydraulic or screw jack under the rear shock mount. Have the opposing side tire chocked and the parking brake on. Now apply force to the transmission flange/outer CV race while sliding the axle shaft right and left, repeat forcing the CV in the opposing direction. You should be able to feel the balls drop into theany divots. You can also release the parking brake and turn the wheel a quarter turn (and 1/2 and 3/4 turn) and repeat the test.
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PostPosted: Sun Jun 15, 2025 11:53 am    Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread Reply with quote

busdaddy wrote:
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.... When replacing the head, nothing was removed in that area other than a few hoses, which have all been replaced...

How did you change a head without removing the intake runners on that side?
I'd be looking at the boots at the plenum, and confirming the manifold to head gasket block isn't cracked or has the edge of the tin pinched under it.

As usual, you lead me in the right direction, BusDaddy.
The gasket was intact and the tin wasn’t pinched.
But the nuts for the intake runners weren’t torqued correctly, and one boot to the plenum wasn’t seated.
So the vacuum leak has been fixed and the engine is running nicely….
…except it still has that annoying squeal.

https://youtu.be/_48JeCY31yQ?si=4zkvBohIgrM8iNIo

It squeals at idle or when driving at a steady rpm.
But during acceleration and deceleration the noise lessens a lot.
Jalabert suggested using a length of garden hose as a stethoscope to narrow down the location of the noise. And it sounds like it’s loudest in the area of the #3 injector but it's difficult to be sure.
With the engine running, I disconnected each injector separately with no change to the noise. Then I did the same with the spark plugs, also with no change.
I’m not sure what else to look for at this point.
Any ideas?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 16, 2025 8:25 am    Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread Reply with quote

A squeal like that would drive me to take up smoking: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=620083&highlight=smoke+tester
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:06 am    Post subject: Re: The Stupid Question Thread Reply with quote

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A squeal like that would drive me to take up smoking: https://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=620083&highlight=smoke+tester

Yes, the smoke test has been done, and everything is now sealed correctly.
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