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sharpstick
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| How do you tell a German 009 distributor from a Brazilian one? |
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halfassleatherworks
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 8:23 am Post subject: Re: 009 Question |
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AI answer probably close but take it for what its worth. Its a artificial opinion.. 
To differentiate between German and Brazilian Bosch 009 distributors, focus on visual cues and internal construction. German versions are generally smoother in appearance and have a single spring on the advance mechanism, while Brazilian versions may have a rougher surface and often feature two springs, though this isn't always a definitive indicator on eBay. Additionally, German-made distributors are stamped with "BOSCH" and often have a three-number date code, while Brazilian versions may be unmarked or have "BRAZIL" stamped on them according to the 912 BBS forum |
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Glenn 
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:22 am Post subject: Re: 009 Question |
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One made in Germany will say BOSCH and GERMANY on the bottom.
Ones made in Brazil will say BOSCH and might say BRAZIL or nothing. Aftermarket ones say nothing.
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mikedjames
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 9:44 am Post subject: Re: 009 Question |
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And the Brazilian one looks like it was machined properly, and the German one looks like it was made by EMPI.
Seek out a manifold vacuum tee and fit a 123Tune...
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 2:24 pm Post subject: Re: 009 Question |
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| Glenn wrote: |
| One made in Germany will say BOSCH and GERMANY on the bottom. |
Glenn is - as usual - correct.
Both of mine state Germany on the underside.
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sharpstick
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 4:37 pm Post subject: Re: 009 Question |
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| Are the Brazilian ones decent quality or should I look for something else? |
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Glenn
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 5:49 pm Post subject: Re: 009 Question |
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| sharpstick wrote: |
| Are the Brazilian ones decent quality or should I look for something else? |
Better than the Chinese ones.
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slalombuggy
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| Posted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 6:55 pm Post subject: Re: 009 Question |
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| The Brazillian ones are as good as the German ones. If properly maintained thay will last for decades |
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Wolfgangdieter
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 7:30 am Post subject: Re: 009 Question |
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Are all the German ones cast iron? And all the Brazilian and Chinese ones aluminum? I have 2 cast ones from a car where the engine caught fire but distributors survived . Can they be used and what might have to be replaced in them - springs? bearing? insulator? The German ones I have are 40 years old.
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Glenn
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 8:43 am Post subject: Re: 009 Question |
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All are aluminum.
Cast iron are Volvo, look at the arrow.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 8:52 am Post subject: Re: 009 Question |
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If the engine compartment has to look classic there is of course an incentive. If not, there are several better solutions today over a 009. These distributors were the shiat back inm the days, but today they have sort of outlived themselves.
I can´t even remember when I used a 009 last, apart from on an Okrasa engine.
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| Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:03 am Post subject: Re: 009 Question |
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| Alstrup wrote: |
| apart from on an Okrasa engine. |
Should of use a 010.
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heimlich
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 8:17 am Post subject: Re: 009 Question |
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| sharpstick wrote: |
| How do you tell a German 009 distributor from a Brazilian one? |
The German one will say Germany. The Brazilian one will say Brazil or nothing. Many of the Brazilian ones are not marked with any country of origin but you will find the standard Bosch markings on them along with the Bosch logo.
There's not much if any difference in the quality between the two especially if they are used. Once they are used and rebuilt there is no discernable difference other than the Germany stamp on the bottom.
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Glenn
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| Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 8:38 am Post subject: Re: 009 Question |
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| The German one will say Germany. The Brazilian one will say Brazil or nothing. Many of the Brazilian ones are not marked with any country of origin but you will find the standard Bosch markings on them along with the Bosch logo. |
Look at 3rd post.
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chrisflstf
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| Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 6:10 pm Post subject: Re: 009 Question |
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| Are all the internal parts (not points, cond, rotor), interchangeable between german and brazil 009's? |
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Glenn
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| Are all the internal parts (not points, cond, rotor), interchangeable between german and brazil 009's? |
I've never done it, but they sure look identical.
Personally, I like reusing the same parts, as long as they are within the wear limits.
I have replaced badly worn/rusted parts on the cast iron models with no problems.
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jimmyhoffa
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 6:54 am Post subject: Re: 009 Question |
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| Are all the internal parts (not points, cond, rotor), interchangeable between german and brazil 009's? |
I have done it, and it works. They appear to be the same. I had two semi-roached ones so I scrambled the parts together and it was okay. I made a distributor testing machine to check it (and other distributors) and after some tweaking of the stops and spring perches it performs as original. Why, you ask? because I have a Compu-Fire DIS-IX I want to play with so I need the ability to carefully recurve 009s even though they're terrible. Just terrible enough to get class wins in the Baja 1000 dozens of times. 
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heimlich
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| Posted: Tue Jun 24, 2025 7:03 am Post subject: Re: 009 Question |
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| chrisflstf wrote: |
| Are all the internal parts (not points, cond, rotor), interchangeable between german and brazil 009's? |
Yes, everything is interchangeable. It's near impossible to tell the difference between the two.
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mikedjames
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| Posted: Wed Jun 25, 2025 4:40 am Post subject: Re: 009 Question |
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| jimmyhoffa wrote: |
| chrisflstf wrote: |
| Are all the internal parts (not points, cond, rotor), interchangeable between german and brazil 009's? |
I have done it, and it works. They appear to be the same. I had two semi-roached ones so I scrambled the parts together and it was okay. I made a distributor testing machine to check it (and other distributors) and after some tweaking of the stops and spring perches it performs as original. Why, you ask? because I have a Compu-Fire DIS-IX I want to play with so I need the ability to carefully recurve 009s even though they're terrible. Just terrible enough to get class wins in the Baja 1000 dozens of times. |
And did you drive at 28mph in 3rd gear for more than 0.01 of a second at a time in the Baja 1000? 
The SVDA and vacuum advance is for street driveability with small engines..
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jimmyhoffa
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And did you drive at 28mph in 3rd gear for more than 0.01 of a second at a time in the Baja 1000? |
Of course not. It barely idles, has a giant flat spot under 3000, and probably won't last that long in general. That didn't keep it off the top of the SCORE lites podium in 2019.
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