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PostPosted: Fri Mar 07, 2025 12:44 pm    Post subject: Re: How to install Gerson pan halves Reply with quote

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They look good. Not sure what body is on this, or new vs old. Remember BobNotch's advice on Seat belt holes and then the extra rails if you have a square. It is a WHOLE lot easier to add the Seatbelt holes and reinforcements before you do final painting and such (Personal experience talking)


Yup, sometimes it pays to plan ahead a little and do some things before you get to far along. Seat belt mounts are a great example of this. In most cases seat belts mount to the body, except the front ones in the tunnel. And early cars need a reducer bushing to get the threaded inset down to 7/16-20 thread (normal for cars used up thru the mid 70's). In fact most aftermarket seat belts come with 7/16ths bolts as part of their kit.
But the time to make changes and upgrades is before you paint.
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PostPosted: Sat Mar 08, 2025 9:05 pm    Post subject: Re: How to install Gerson pan halves Reply with quote

Thanks guys, the chassis is not painted just black primer while it sits in storage.
I still have some welding to do on it…jack points, battery tie down ect ect. The body is a T34, undecided on what seats I’ll run so I’ve held off on tracks/ belts. All in due time, need to let funds catch up and practice my fab skills before I start digging into the body.
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 09, 2025 2:21 pm    Post subject: Re: How to install Gerson pan halves Reply with quote

As a former T-34 owner, I'd suggest hunting down ALL of the T-34 only parts you need (body related). The pan parts can wait, as they're shared with regular type 3s (Notcbacks, Squares, Fastbacks). The reason I say concentrate on the body bits, is because those are the hard to find T-34 only bits. I had 3 years into my own car, and was searching for T-34 only parts the entire time. The chassis was a roller in no time, and I ended rebuilding the original engine after Russ did once I installed it. As the "old timers" kept telling me, get what you can while you can. And don't wait until you need it, as you probably won't find it. That is so true of a statement. I'd done several Squareback's, an early and a late Notch, and a Fastback, and never had problems finding the odd little bits like I did on my T-34. Just a heads up, the parts are out there, but they require looking for them. Make friends with Jason, Jack, Pedro, and Tram, as they'll be your biggest helpers when looking for stuff. Keep in mind that Tram is more of a general type 3 guy, and not limited to the early only stuff. He's probably forgotten more about type 3s than most people learn in their lifetimes.
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2025 2:11 pm    Post subject: Re: How to install Gerson pan halves Reply with quote

Right on man I appreciate your advice, I’ve always heard these are the hardest VWs to restore for parts availability alone.. I’m missing the windshield/ trim and one early style bumper overrider for the rear. The seats are there but they’re rough. Still a ways out from needing either of those but I’m on the hunt.

I know the purist will cringe but I have no intentions or budget to go all the way back to original with it, as long as I’ve got a windshield I’ll drive it haha. This car has been hidden since the 80s, and no history before that other than an old army base sticker.. So just being able to drive it is my goal! This is the first photo I’ve publicly shared outside of the “aircooled youth” Facebook group

And a side note, shout out to Gerson for making these pans, what a great thing to have available for the Type 3s. Well worth the money
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PostPosted: Mon Mar 10, 2025 2:38 pm    Post subject: Re: How to install Gerson pan halves Reply with quote

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Right on man I appreciate your advice, I’ve always heard these are the hardest VWs to restore for parts availability alone.. I’m missing the windshield/ trim and one early style bumper overrider for the rear. The seats are there but they’re rough. Still a ways out from needing either of those but I’m on the hunt.


You might want to contact ISP West and see if they might have a windshield, if not contact IBJack or Pedro at the type 3 factory. Maybe they can connect you with someone if they don't have one. I only say that as about 10 to 15 years ago there was an order placed for some new ones to be made. I don't know how many of them were sold, but a few were. I know I had to drive to the middle of Illinois to get a good used one for my own car. I picked up some sheet metal from OFC Doug while I was there too. Lee Hedges got the engine surround from the same car, to fix his topless 62 T-34.
Unfortunately when I sold my T-34, I gave the extras for it with the car. The bumpers I had on it, came from Colorado. That's why I say the parts are out there, you just have to look, and ask. I hope this helps.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 1:32 pm    Post subject: Re: How to install Gerson pan halves Reply with quote

I am in the process of replacing my floor pans and I have a question on splicing in the rear portion of the pan. What is the benefit of doing it the way M113 did it,

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Versus splitting the seam, cutting the pan to align with the factory rear frame head, sandwiching in the new pan and plug welding is back together?

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Potential cut is in purple.

Is there an advantage to either potential method?
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 1:51 pm    Post subject: Re: How to install Gerson pan halves Reply with quote

I will say the hardest part of this so far has been taking off the kickplate and cleaning up the frame head.

This this was STUCK on the pan.

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And getting from here

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to here,

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was a PITA.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 3:29 pm    Post subject: Re: How to install Gerson pan halves Reply with quote

When I did mine (not a Gerson pan) I cut the tunnel part I was keeping right to the edge of the lip. On the donor part we cut it as close to the tunnel as we could. Doing it like this gave you a lip to support the pan, and if you trimmed it some more you could weld it on easier. Keep in mind we cut the donor part with a sawzall, and were I trimmed the tunnel side I used a cut off wheel on a grinder. Then I fine tune cut the donor metal with the cut off blade (I had better control of it). Then stitch welded the parts together and seam sealed them. When I did my 71 Notch pans, I fully welded the bottom parts of both sides.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 3:31 pm    Post subject: Re: How to install Gerson pan halves Reply with quote

bigwhit wrote:
I will say the hardest part of this so far has been taking off the kickplate and cleaning up the frame head.

This this was STUCK on the pan.

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And getting from here


That one looks pretty solid. Most that I've run across need at least the bottom 1.25 inches replaced. They came off easily.
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PostPosted: Thu Jun 19, 2025 6:09 pm    Post subject: Re: How to install Gerson pan halves Reply with quote

Bobnotch wrote:
bigwhit wrote:
I will say the hardest part of this so far has been taking off the kickplate and cleaning up the frame head.


That one looks pretty solid. Most that I've run across need at least the bottom 1.25 inches replaced. They came off easily.


This is the good side. The back is much-much worse. I will still be replacing probably the bottom 1 1/2 on both sides.
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PostPosted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 1:16 pm    Post subject: Re: How to install Gerson pan halves Reply with quote

bigwhit wrote:
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I will say the hardest part of this so far has been taking off the kickplate and cleaning up the frame head.


That one looks pretty solid. Most that I've run across need at least the bottom 1.25 inches replaced. They came off easily.


This is the good side. The back is much-much worse. I will still be replacing probably the bottom 1 1/2 on both sides.


That'll be normal then. Try to line up the factory stitch welds on the tunnel with those you cut trying to get that part off. That way you'll be able to get it in the right place. On a t-34 the body bolts to it along the top, so it becomes more critical to get it back on in the right place. Just something to keep in mind.
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PostPosted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 2:29 pm    Post subject: Re: How to install Gerson pan halves Reply with quote

Any idea what this little bracket is called?

I presume it is unobtainium.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 22, 2025 1:57 pm    Post subject: Re: How to install Gerson pan halves Reply with quote

bigwhit wrote:
Any idea what this little bracket is called?

I presume it is unobtainium.

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I'm not sure what it's called, It's used up front on regular type 3's to keep the seat base from going too far forward (coming off, unless the spring is pushed down first). That might be a part you'll have to talk to someone at ISP in person, or talk to Joel or maybe Mike Fisher to see if they have any pans with the inner seat rail still on a pan. Because that's where that part lives.
I don't think it's unobtainium, but it might be hard to find. The thing to do might be to check with someone who went with aftermarket seats and have cut their inner seat rail off. This might be time to place a Want To Buy ad in the classifieds. I hope this helps.
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64 T-34 Ghia...aka Wolfie, under construction... http://www.thesamba.com/vw/forum/viewtopic.php?t=412120
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