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markswagen Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2018 Posts: 1555 Location: san diego
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 5:55 am Post subject: What's wrong with this picture? :( |
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a touch over $2k in parts to make this one whole again, one owner syncro westy spends 99% of it's life locked in a garage, thankfully insured by haggerty, who are covering the cost of the replacement parts, with luck they'll cover my time to put it back together.
parts from gowesty are already on their way. _________________ markswagen {mobile mechanic} san diego area all early VW's cared for.
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Wellington Samba Member
Joined: September 21, 2004 Posts: 1999 Location: Montreal
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 6:04 am Post subject: Re: what's wrong with this picture :( |
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Amateurs.
Lucky they just took the cat and not the whole van. |
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DanHoug Samba Member

Joined: December 05, 2016 Posts: 5684 Location: Bemidji, MN
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 6:08 am Post subject: Re: what's wrong with this picture :( |
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huh. wonder what the street price for a Vanagon cat is? _________________ -dan
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 79445 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 6:23 am Post subject: Re: what's wrong with this picture :( |
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DanHoug wrote: |
huh. wonder what the street price for a Vanagon cat is? |
They're not stealing a Vanagon cat, they just want the contents.
Don't take it personally  _________________ Glenn
74 Beetle Specs | 74 Beetle Restoration | 2180cc Engine
"You may not get what you pay for, but you always pay for what you get"
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Crooked Designer Samba Member

Joined: March 22, 2018 Posts: 573 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 7:17 am Post subject: Re: what's wrong with this picture :( |
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Glad to hear Hagerty is covering it.
Interesting deterrent: CatStrap _________________ '85 Westy full camper, Subaru 2.5L, 5 speed SubiGears + 5speedbus shifter kit |
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Ahwahnee Samba Member

Joined: June 05, 2010 Posts: 10215 Location: Mt Lemmon, AZ
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:32 am Post subject: Re: what's wrong with this picture :( |
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That strap appears resistant to cutting but if it's installed with steel zip ties and muffler clamps it would appear to be easy to remove.
Mark's example notwithstanding, isn't the cordless angle grinder the tool of choice for cat-nappers? That would make short work of the hardware that attaches the CatStrap.
Sort of like relying on 'The Club'. It's indestructible but the steering wheel is easily cut. |
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Crooked Designer Samba Member

Joined: March 22, 2018 Posts: 573 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:39 am Post subject: Re: what's wrong with this picture :( |
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Ahwahnee wrote: |
That strap appears resistant to cutting but if it's installed with steel zip ties and muffler clamps it would appear to be easy to remove.
Mark's example notwithstanding, isn't the cordless angle grinder the tool of choice for cat-nappers? That would make short work of the hardware that attaches the CatStrap.
Sort of like relying on 'The Club'. It's indestructible but the steering wheel is easily cut. |
like every bike lock ever.. with enough time and tools, you can defeat anything. The goal is to make it much more of a PITA so they move on the car sitting next to yours that isn't so much of a PITA. Even making this thought process happen with would-be cat-nappers can be a win. Hence "deterrent" _________________ '85 Westy full camper, Subaru 2.5L, 5 speed SubiGears + 5speedbus shifter kit |
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ledogboy Samba Member

Joined: September 19, 2005 Posts: 599 Location: Scappoose, OR / Oakland, CA
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:47 am Post subject: Re: what's wrong with this picture :( |
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markswagen wrote: |
parts from gowesty are already on their way. |
Just be glad parts are available! When the cat was stolen from my 2012 Prius a couple of years back, they were totally unavailable and I was without the car for months. _________________ 1986 Westy Weekender
Now a full camper
1.8t Syncro conversion
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syncrodoka Samba Member

Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12297 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 9:54 am Post subject: Re: what's wrong with this picture :( |
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I have an old bad cat and after calling around to recyclers they won't even buy them any more. I don't know what their value is to the meth heads |
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Abscate  Samba Member
Joined: October 05, 2014 Posts: 23814 Location: NYC/Upstate/ROW
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:03 am Post subject: Re: what's wrong with this picture :( |
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We have shut down a lot of cat thefts by making the people responsible for the recycling of the metal liable for their sources. Guys showing up with 100 pounds of cat innards need traceable documents as to where the stuff came from. _________________ 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🇺🇸 🍊 🍊 🍊 |
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Crooked Designer Samba Member

Joined: March 22, 2018 Posts: 573 Location: Chicago, IL
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:07 am Post subject: Re: what's wrong with this picture :( |
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syncrodoka wrote: |
I don't know what their value is to the meth heads |
They contain platinum group metals that can be sold as raw materials (after they're removed from the part) to metal recycling places. _________________ '85 Westy full camper, Subaru 2.5L, 5 speed SubiGears + 5speedbus shifter kit |
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do.dah Samba Member
Joined: August 27, 2015 Posts: 795 Location: Washington
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:22 am Post subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? :( |
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That might be a claim for a stolen cat, but the exhaust pipe leading to where the cat should be, looks like it rotted out, not sawzalled. And, the valence right at the input side of the cat, is all sooty, like it was leaking.
Hard to see, but the pipe at the muffler doesn't look sawzalled, but more like it a typical rotting out of the pipe.
I don't know, but I kinda think somebody' up to something..... |
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syncrodoka Samba Member

Joined: December 27, 2005 Posts: 12297 Location: Santa Cruz, CA
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:27 am Post subject: Re: what's wrong with this picture :( |
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Crooked Designer wrote: |
syncrodoka wrote: |
I don't know what their value is to the meth heads |
They contain platinum group metals that can be sold as raw materials (after they're removed from the part) to metal recycling places. |
They have platinum, palladium and rhodium in them but I couldn't find a recycler willing to buy one so the value is nil to me. |
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Glenn  Mr. 010

Joined: December 25, 2001 Posts: 79445 Location: Sneaking up behind you
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:36 am Post subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? :( |
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do.dah wrote: |
That might be a claim for a stolen cat, but the exhaust pipe leading to where the cat should be, looks like it rotted out, not sawzalled. And, the valence right at the input side of the cat, is all sooty, like it was leaking.
Hard to see, but the pipe at the muffler doesn't look sawzalled, but more like it a typical rotting out of the pipe.
I don't know, but I kinda think somebody' up to something..... |
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member

Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 10367 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 10:56 am Post subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? :( |
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Now that you mention it, I don't see where those photos show any clear exidence that the cat was removed by cutting at either end.
Also, what was the coat hanger used for? Was the cat already broken free at one end and then the coat hanger was used to try to keep it from falling off?
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do.dah wrote: |
That might be a claim for a stolen cat, but the exhaust pipe leading to where the cat should be, looks like it rotted out, not sawzalled. And, the valence right at the input side of the cat, is all sooty, like it was leaking.
Hard to see, but the pipe at the muffler doesn't look sawzalled, but more like it a typical rotting out of the pipe.
I don't know, but I kinda think somebody' up to something..... |
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jlrftype7 Samba Member
Joined: July 24, 2018 Posts: 4529 Location: Chicago
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:13 am Post subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? :( |
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After several failed attempts for thieves to steal the Cat out of one of our Nieces car, an older Honda CRV, she had to replace the cat and new pipe going back to the Muffler when they finally succeeded in stealing it.
With all the new parts installed, I made a hardened steel cage from Tool Steel I bought from Mc-Master Carr. It easily stopped Sawzall regular blades, but as noted, would not have stopped an abrasive blade on a grinder. I used Flat bars welded. then bolted it to the body.
BUT, those make way more noise than a Sawzall, so not the weapon of choice apparently. Once installed, no one ever messed with her replaced Cat. Just looking at the mess under the vehicle was enough for them to look for an easier target....
Shops and dealers that she went to for Service took note of the DIY Cage that I'd made. I got props from all those guys for taking care of Family. Which was cool...  _________________ '68 Westy- my first VW and vehicle/Bus- long gone.- sold it to a traveling Swiss couple....
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RoryGirl Samba Member

Joined: October 14, 2016 Posts: 986 Location: WestWorld Nanaimo BC
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:31 am Post subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? :( |
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markswagen Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2018 Posts: 1555 Location: san diego
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 11:56 am Post subject: Re: What's wrong with this picture? :( |
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it was cut at one end, and snapped l think at the other, the white wire is one of the two white wires for the O2 sensor, at least that's where it went up to, when l traced it.
l don't know if her premiums will go up next year.
FWIW the van passed smog may 23rd, l'd hope they looked at it then.
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Also, what was the coat hanger used for? Was the cat already broken free at one end and then the coat hanger was used to try to keep it from falling off?
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she used to have a prius, and the cat was stolen off of that also, on her driveway, the syncro was inside, and her tesla was where the prius was, when it had it's cat removed, interestingly she bought a cage protection thing for the replacement cat, she had hoped the insurance would cover that, but they didn't, they said they'd happily cover the cost of another cat if it were stolen, but not cover the cost of it's protection. _________________ markswagen {mobile mechanic} san diego area all early VW's cared for.
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4Gears4Tires Samba Member
Joined: October 08, 2018 Posts: 4160 Location: MD
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 12:17 pm Post subject: Re: what's wrong with this picture :( |
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Crooked Designer wrote: |
like every bike lock ever.. with enough time and tools, you can defeat anything. The goal is to make it much more of a PITA so they move on the car sitting next to yours that isn't so much of a PITA. Even making this thought process happen with would-be cat-nappers can be a win. Hence "deterrent" |
Have you seen the OnGuard bike lock? https://youtu.be/bO4h385PPUY?si=mgnmfReYDDKOV7e_&t=69
Looks like picking is the only route to go. I'd like to see the Lockpicking Lawyer defeat it in 8 seconds. _________________ '87 Syncro Ferric Oxyhydroxide Superleggera Edition
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator

Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 8439 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Fri Jun 20, 2025 12:44 pm Post subject: Re: what's wrong with this picture :( |
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Thieves suck.
Cat converter theft ring caught in AZ in 2022: https://apnews.com/article/politics-arizona-phoenix-theft-eac0922b2874c956720a1523f5f035d8
markswagen wrote: |
they said they'd happily cover the cost of another cat if it were stolen, but not cover the cost of it's protection. |
My dad recently bought circulatory/nerve therapy treatment devices. Insurance flat-out told him: "Nope, not covering them. However, if your issue gets to the point of requiring surgery, such as amputation, we'll gladly cover it." They'll pay for the so-called cure, but not preventative measures. Insurance is such a racket.
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Looks like picking is the only route to go. I'd like to see the Lockpicking Lawyer defeat it in 8 seconds. |
Given LPL's talent, I wouldn't be surprised if he could.  _________________ ~Kamz
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