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Sodo Samba Member

Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 10619 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 4:21 pm Post subject: Westy water tank cover inside the bins: screws to magnets |
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After 25 years..... no more unscrewing this cover to fill the water tank.
Just lifting it from here on out.
I was twisting the screws with my fingers, not using a screwdriver.
But still wanted to be absolved of the task.  _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, NEW oil rings (!) 2Peloquins, 3knobs, SyncroShop pressure-oiled pinion-bearing & GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox.
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered original gearbox
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tjet Samba Member

Joined: June 10, 2014 Posts: 3725 Location: Az
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 4:35 pm Post subject: Re: Westy water tank cover inside the bins: screws to magnets |
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Great idea
I did the same thing with my dash cover on another vehicle. I also glued magnets on the underside of the dash for extra hold.
No way was I going to use those sticky velcro things on a nice dashboard |
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ledogboy Samba Member

Joined: September 19, 2005 Posts: 599 Location: Scappoose, OR / Oakland, CA
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 5:52 pm Post subject: Re: Westy water tank cover inside the bins: screws to magnets |
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Great solution! I hate those fiddly screws- this is on my to do list now. Gotta love a cheap mod! _________________ 1986 Westy Weekender
Now a full camper
1.8t Syncro conversion
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Sodo Samba Member

Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 10619 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:27 pm Post subject: Re: Westy water tank cover inside the bins: screws to magnets |
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After sticking on those foam blocks that keep it from scooting around.....
it occurred to me that I could have glued on a 3/4" plywood 'plug' that drops into the hole.
And the weight of the block would hold the cover down.
The real solution is to modify the outside filler and make it better than opening the bins. _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, NEW oil rings (!) 2Peloquins, 3knobs, SyncroShop pressure-oiled pinion-bearing & GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox.
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered original gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb |
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crazyvwvanman Samba Member

Joined: January 28, 2008 Posts: 10365 Location: Orbiting San Diego
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 6:36 pm Post subject: Re: Westy water tank cover inside the bins: screws to magnets |
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My approach is to move the filler hose end to inside the other compartment.
Mark |
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator

Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 8436 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 8:47 pm Post subject: Re: Westy water tank cover inside the bins: screws to magnets |
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Sodo wrote: |
The real solution is to modify the outside filler and make it better than opening the bins. |
GoWesty's filler is much improved over the original Delta6, IMHO. I use a gallon meter on the hose to know exactly how much water is going in.
I rarely open the tank (maybe a couple times a year), so the cover screws aren't an issue for me. Props for the innovative idea though.  _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
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2016 Golf GTI S
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markswagen Samba Member
Joined: January 28, 2018 Posts: 1555 Location: san diego
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Posted: Tue Jun 17, 2025 9:55 pm Post subject: Re: Westy water tank cover inside the bins: screws to magnets |
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l'm confused, l've NEVER had to fill the water tank from the inside, the stock filler neck in the side of the van, has always worked as intendeded. _________________ markswagen {mobile mechanic} san diego area all early VW's cared for.
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DanHoug Samba Member

Joined: December 05, 2016 Posts: 5677 Location: Bemidji, MN
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 6:41 am Post subject: Re: Westy water tank cover inside the bins: screws to magnets |
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i ALWAYS fill from the screw on port! it allows me to spray the tank down on the inside, removing a layer of slime and to check cleanliness of everything as well as level light operation. plus, i don't like rinsing whatever critters are hiding in the fill port down into the tank.
as far as the metal cover, i keep the back screw in place, somewhat loose, and have removed all others. it just swings to the side and swings back. never moves while driving. _________________ -dan
60% of what you find on the internet is wrong, including this post.
'87 Westy & '89 Westy both 2.1 4spd
Past projects can be found at--
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Sodo Samba Member

Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 10619 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 7:38 am Post subject: Re: Westy water tank cover inside the bins: screws to magnets |
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Same here.
Regarding “one screw & swinging the cover”
That’s pretty obvious when your “van style” is to empty the bin between trips.
But you gotta remember to fill the water before your wife starts packing the bins like a Tetris game.
But we leave stuff in there full time.
You can scoot the cover underneath some contents,
But theres always something blocking rotation,
where its actually easier to just remove the 2nd screw.
I use fingers, no tool.
Sometimes I’m unscrewing while holding the dripping, anxious, and consequential garden spayer nozzle in the other hand.
Always worried that I will knock a screw or two down into the hole.
AND,
whenever I do this task I’m thinking:
“hey magnets would be better than screws”.
But I’m usually getting ready for a trip,
last-minute filling
Sometimes rinsing, or scrubbing,
or maybe even bleaching the tank…..
so not in the mood for a project.
This time was different.
I was procrastinating.
So I did what many of us do, start a Westy project.
Then realized that the magnets don’t really prevent it from scooting
So I had to add the neoprene blocks,
Which, despite being conveniently Westy Gray,
we’re not aesthetically pleasing.
Gravity could be better than magnets.
(A heavy wood block that loosely engages the hole) _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, NEW oil rings (!) 2Peloquins, 3knobs, SyncroShop pressure-oiled pinion-bearing & GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox.
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered original gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb |
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mtnhome  Samba Member

Joined: July 17, 2010 Posts: 612 Location: Summit County, CO
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danielheff Samba Member

Joined: January 22, 2016 Posts: 167 Location: San Diego, CA
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:28 am Post subject: Re: Westy water tank cover inside the bins: screws to magnets |
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My modification was suggested by someone else here on thesamba. A pop rivet in each of the screw holes and then enlarge the hole in the wood to fit the backside of the rivet. Has worked great for years.
@Mark - I often am filling up my tank with water from a filtered water station in 5 gallon bottles so it’s much easier to dump that through the large hole on top rather than rigging something to fill from the side. _________________ '70 Squareback 1835cc
'85 Vanagon GL Camper, EJ22, Peloquin Diff, Burley rear disc brakes, SC big front brakes, Espar D2L, 250ah Lifepo4
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Sodo Samba Member

Joined: July 06, 2007 Posts: 10619 Location: Western WA
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 8:34 am Post subject: Re: Westy water tank cover inside the bins: screws to magnets |
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Much better Mr Heff.
Could enlarge the holes to engage the original screwheads.
Perhaps glue the screws in, but half-a-thread up.
Kittens wouldn’t even raise a brow.
And the Pop-Rivet solution. I understand much better with Andy’s pics.
That’s probably real secure.
I’m curious about Kamz mention of the GoWesty solution. Got pics? _________________
'90 Westy EJ25, NEW oil rings (!) 2Peloquins, 3knobs, SyncroShop pressure-oiled pinion-bearing & GT mainshaft, filtered, cooled gearbox.
'87 Tintop w 47k 53k, '12 SmallCar EJ25, cooled filtered original gearbox
....KTMs, GasGas, SPOT mtb
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator

Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 8436 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:23 am Post subject: Re: Westy water tank cover inside the bins: screws to magnets |
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Sodo wrote: |
I’m curious about Kamz mention of the GoWesty solution. Got pics? |
It's simply GoWesty's hookup with the check ball removed from the quick-connect (maximum water flow and I don't usually fill the tank to brim full; if you do, I'd leave the check ball in place). On the hose-end, I use a Save-A-Drop gallon meter with on-off valve.
Before a lengthy trip, I usually put in 7 gallons, which takes only a few minutes. No muss, no fuss... connect hose, turn on water, fill with desired amount, shut water off, disconnect hose, and go. I then mentally keep track of how much water has been used with my 3-gallon gray water can. There's only been a few times I've had to fill from the inside and those times were out on the road without hose fill access (used a collapsible bucket). GoWesty's hookup has been installed for... hmm... probably a decade now.
There are also inline hose filters on the market that you can add if you want filtered water in the tank.
Works for me. _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
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fishgo Samba Member
Joined: June 21, 2018 Posts: 152 Location: Madison, WI
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 10:56 am Post subject: Re: Westy water tank cover inside the bins: screws to magnets |
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kamzcab86 wrote: |
Sodo wrote: |
The real solution is to modify the outside filler and make it better than opening the bins. |
GoWesty's filler is much improved over the original Delta6, IMHO. I use a gallon meter on the hose to know exactly how much water is going in.
I rarely open the tank (maybe a couple times a year), so the cover screws aren't an issue for me. Props for the innovative idea though.  |
I had no idea about an inline water meter! I use the outside GoWesty water connect, but always top off as I really never have a good estimate as to how much water was put into the tank (meaning: I fill reeeeealy slowly as to not overwhelm the outflow air).
That water meter would allow me to fill faster, not overfill, and I assume leave connected to the hose, correct?
What model you like for a meter? |
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator

Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 8436 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 12:53 pm Post subject: Re: Westy water tank cover inside the bins: screws to magnets |
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fishgo wrote: |
That water meter would allow me to fill faster, not overfill, and I assume leave connected to the hose, correct? |
Correct. Mine lives with the hose under the rear seat.
fishgo wrote: |
What model you like for a meter? |
Post above yours has all the details, plus a photo.  _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
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vanis13 Samba Member

Joined: August 15, 2010 Posts: 4378 Location: ABQ NM USA.... Except when not
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 4:06 pm Post subject: Re: Westy water tank cover inside the bins: screws to magnets |
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kamzcab86 wrote: |
fishgo wrote: |
What model you like for a meter? |
Post above yours has all the details, plus a photo.  |
here's a direct link plus a photo
kamzcab86 wrote: |
Save-A-Drop gallon meter with on-off valve. |
(shut off valve is separate)
https://www.amazon.com/Measure-Gallon-Outdoor-Gard...d&th=1
_________________ 83.5 Westy with Subaru 2.5, 4 spd manual, center seat, COLD A/C on 134a!, Winter camp heated with an Espar B4 gasoline furnace
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Rorke Samba Member
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Posted: Wed Jun 18, 2025 5:53 pm Post subject: Re: Westy water tank cover inside the bins: screws to magnets |
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Instant purchase! Thanks man.
(I feel from the outside, so I don’t make a mess. However, I always view from inside, so I know that I’m filling up appropriately) |
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vanis13 Samba Member

Joined: August 15, 2010 Posts: 4378 Location: ABQ NM USA.... Except when not
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Posted: Sat Jun 21, 2025 8:58 pm Post subject: Re: Westy water tank cover inside the bins: screws to magnets |
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Rorke wrote: |
Instant purchase! Thanks man.
(I feel from the outside, so I don’t make a mess. However, I always view from inside, so I know that I’m filling up appropriately) |
test when you get it so you can stay in return window. mine doesn't read flow. sent the msg below to mfg https://shop.p3international.com/
"just got one. doesn't measure flow. display is on and buttons work. no flow count. I removed and reinserted battery."
ordered another to try _________________ 83.5 Westy with Subaru 2.5, 4 spd manual, center seat, COLD A/C on 134a!, Winter camp heated with an Espar B4 gasoline furnace
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vanis13 Samba Member

Joined: August 15, 2010 Posts: 4378 Location: ABQ NM USA.... Except when not
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 5:04 pm Post subject: Re: Westy water tank cover inside the bins: screws to magnets |
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vanis13 wrote: |
Rorke wrote: |
Instant purchase! Thanks man.
(I feel from the outside, so I don’t make a mess. However, I always view from inside, so I know that I’m filling up appropriately) |
test when you get it so you can stay in return window. mine doesn't read flow. sent the msg below to mfg https://shop.p3international.com/
"just got one. doesn't measure flow. display is on and buttons work. no flow count. I removed and reinserted battery."
ordered another to try |
INACCURATE!
got the replacement and this one did count numbers. at full flow it was close on a 1G container. At less than full flow it was GROSSLY inaccurate I could bet it to read almost 5 Gallons for filing the 1 gallon container.
It would be nice to see the indicator lights from the filling spout and use them as an indicator of when to stop....For fancyness, a hose shut-off servo linked to the lights so if you select green, stops when red iluminates. for a total top-off an full-full sensor would be needed.
...and what's wrong with the overflow hose? If the tank is tight I don't see why not use it as the full indicator? _________________ 83.5 Westy with Subaru 2.5, 4 spd manual, center seat, COLD A/C on 134a!, Winter camp heated with an Espar B4 gasoline furnace
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kamzcab86 Samba Moderator

Joined: July 26, 2008 Posts: 8436 Location: Arizona
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Posted: Mon Jun 23, 2025 8:39 pm Post subject: Re: Westy water tank cover inside the bins: screws to magnets |
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vanis13 wrote: |
INACCURATE!
got the replacement and this one did count numbers. at full flow it was close on a 1G container. At less than full flow it was GROSSLY inaccurate I could bet it to read almost 5 Gallons for filing the 1 gallon container. |
I just tested one of the two I own; it's been sitting idle in the garage since about February, if not longer. A) I used a Crystal Geyser bottle, which is a one-gallon bottle, unlike others that are actually less than one full gallon despite their label. B) I used full flow with a garden sprayer on "jet" for half the fill, slower flows to fill the remainder. C) It read 0.8 when I stopped. D) I poured that gallon into a quart measuring cup. It took four attempts to empty that gallon, ergo four quarts. As we learned in elementary school, four quarts equals one gallon. E) Save-A-Drop states the accuracy of the device is to within 1/10 of a gallon; 0.8 is close enough for me and not nearly off enough to go screaming "INACCURATE!!!" on the Internet. I only ever use full flow to put water in my Westy tank (why would you not?), ergo, don't care if it's grossly inaccurate at trickle flow.
Plenty of others on the market to choose from, if you're not satisfied with the Save-A-Drop version.
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0BL37TN96/ref=sspa_dk_hqp_detail_aax_0
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DS28CJGR/ref=sspa_dk_detail_6 (with Bluetooth app)
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DZNK9M1S/ref=sspa_dk_detail_2
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DHH798RX/ref=sspa_dk_detail_5
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0CZRDVRXW/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0DP9CJXL8/ref=sspa_dk_detail_3
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0D7GPCTRX/ref=sspa_dk_detail_0
vanis13 wrote: |
It would be nice to see the indicator lights from the filling spout and use them as an indicator of when to stop....For fancyness, a hose shut-off servo linked to the lights so if you select green, stops when red iluminates. for a total top-off an full-full sensor would be needed. |
Use a mirror.
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...and what's wrong with the overflow hose? If the tank is tight I don't see why not use it as the full indicator? |
Who said anything is wrong with it?
As stated previously, I, personally, do not fill my tank to full, thus the expansion/overflow hose isn't even a factor. _________________ ~Kamz
1986 Cabriolet: www.Cabby-Info.com
1990 Vanagon Westfalia: Old Blue's Blog
2016 Golf GTI S
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