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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2025 8:07 am    Post subject: Carb sizing Reply with quote

Is there a rule of thumb for what size of carburator(s) to use ?

My current combo is :

1835 cc, all new parts from CBperformance
CB 2239 camshaft
Steve Tim's Super stock heads
Dual HPMX 40's

I'm quite happy with it, but wondering, are these carbs a good fit?
Too big ? Too small?

Also, if I ever go ahead and build another, maybe bigger engine, how does one determine the best size of carburator for it ?
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2025 8:50 am    Post subject: Re: Carb sizing Reply with quote

Carbs are good, depending on the venturis, use 32-34mm

Srtarting with intake valve size, carb throat should be 10% bigger, and venturi should be 10% smaller.


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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2025 9:04 am    Post subject: Re: Carb sizing Reply with quote

I have always thought less the 2000cc use 40 IDF's or clones, above 2000cc Use 44 IDF's or clones.....
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2025 3:40 pm    Post subject: Re: Carb sizing Reply with quote

Depends on if you are going for function or bragging rights... Wink I met a fellow once that claimed a pair of 48 IDF's was just the right size for his 1600!

I wonder if it is more related to individual cylinder displacement than overall engine size. For the 1500 to 1700 engines VW used 30 to 34mm single or dual carb. We use 32 to 40 single, dual or quad throat carbs on that same range.

Just an observation... seems to me that the pressure drop on each intake stroke individually is the key not so much all 4 pulses combined. Single cylinder motorcycle carbs sizes are similar to ours if I am not mistaken...
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2025 7:26 pm    Post subject: Re: Carb sizing Reply with quote

I had a 2180 in my auto-x car with a pair of true WEBER 48IDF's on it , the carbs were loaner's, and although it ran pretty fair it never was quite up to expectations, owner of carbs wanted them back, so I got a pair of first generation HPMX 44's and it ran so much better.....
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 20, 2025 7:56 pm    Post subject: Re: Carb sizing Reply with quote

oprn wrote:

I wonder if it is more related to individual cylinder displacement than overall engine size.


That's part of it, along with RPM range and cam selection. My above post related to valve size was to balance port velocity with CFM. It's a package deal.

This is intended for 6 cylinder Porsche engines, but the principles are the same:
https://www.performanceoriented.com/throttle-body-and-main-venturi-sizing/
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2025 12:48 pm    Post subject: Re: Carb sizing Reply with quote

There is no rule of thumb that can interpret CC/Cam/Headwork all together.

You can have a 1835 that works best with 48idf's if it has a aggressive cam and heads to the point that 44's restrict flow. If you put 44 idf's on that engine that was taylored for high rpms, the 44's wont fix the cam down low and wont flow enough up high.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 21, 2025 1:54 pm    Post subject: Re: Carb sizing Reply with quote

jpaull wrote:
There is no rule of thumb that can interpret CC/Cam/Headwork all together.

You can have a 1835 that works best with 48idf's if it has an aggressive cam and heads to the point that 44's restrict flow. If you put 44 idf's on that engine that was taylored for high rpms, the 44's wont fix the cam down low and wont flow enough up high.

Exactly this.

Application specific.

Heavier cars especially buses will like smaller carbs.

Lighter cars, especially those with good heads, higher compression, bigger cams and close ratio gearboxes will favor larger carbs.

My friend and I had a couple of small displacement street bugs and we both ran 48IDAs. His was a 1776, welded ported 40x35.5 heads, VZ35 cam, 4.12 R&P 1.58/1.22 close gears. Mine was 1835, home ported no weld 35.5x32 heads, w130 cam, 4.37 R&P 1.48/1.04 close gears.

13.12 @ 99 mph for the 1776, 13.77 @ 97 mph for the 1835. Daily drivers that ran around 10.5:1 compression on 93 octane in cars weighing 1550 to 1600 pounds. They drove perfectly.
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